ATGMs and RPGs for infantry - a thread for rebels around the world to choose their ATGM supplier.

[Mighty_Zuk]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/india-again-reportedly-spikes-500-million-missile-deal-with-israel/

 

India again cancels massive Spike missile buy, favoring a DRDO contract. 

 

Again they don't realize that they need to first produce capable missiles domestically before replicating to an indigenous design.

[Xlucine]

I hope Rafael is getting good cancellation terms in these agreements

[Collimatrix]

6 hours ago, Xlucine said:

I hope Rafael is getting good cancellation terms in these agreements

 

Right?  They could make bank without delivering a single missile!

[Mighty_Zuk]

Depends. Rafael is still, after all, a government owned company. And they do what the government tells them to do. Israel may still prefer not filing a lawsuit to avoid hurting the carefully built relations.

 

India is also known for pulling this shit off, for example when they cancelled a massive standard rifles purchase from IWI and going as far as blacklisting them and their parent company IMI, only to delist them about a decade later after no evidence was found.

IMI was also involved, by the way, in the Arjun project, adding 13 unspecified improvements (albeit minor), which only shows the great lengths India can go only to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

 

[Adraste]

Just last April the Indian Army made a small but urgent Spike missile purchase (240 Spike MR missile). They can make small acquisition up to $72 million worth of items for each deal separate from the Indian MoD.

 

Once the Spike enters indian service, the Indian Army will probably purchase further batch as they cannot wait forever on bureaucracy's fairy tales. And the Indian Army might want something more potent like the Spike LR2, ER2 or/and NLOS. Strategic patience is needed when dealing with India's bureaucracy.

[Ramlaen]

 

[LoooSeR]

   Iraqi troops still finding ISIS-made RPGs

 

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[LoooSeR]

   SF member (probably FSB) with RPG-29 Vampir

[Alzoc]

MMP test in cold weather conditions:

Moving target, infantry in building (kind of) and NLOS

 

 

[LoooSeR]

   MMP in Mali

 

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[LoooSeR]

   VKO-25 grenade for UGL like GP-25, showed at Army 2019. There is more powerful version of it called GK-94, claimed to be able to penetrate almost 200 mm of steel + it have fragmentation effect vs infantry. I susepct "-94" in the name mean it is supposed to be used in GM-94.

[Ramlaen]

https://dod.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/1891418/

 

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RDZM LLC, Arlington, Virginia, was awarded an $8,388,482 hybrid (cost-plus-fixed-fee and firm-fixed-price) contract for the Engineering and Manufacturing Development, Low Rate Initial Production and Full Rate Production of the 40mm HV HEDP-AB XM1176 cartridge. Bids were solicited via the internet with two received. Work will be performed in Middletown, Iowa; Stafford, Virginia; and Reading, Massachusetts, with an estimated completion date of June 27, 2025. Fiscal 2018 and 2019 research, development, test and evaluation funds in the amount of $4,838,556 were obligated at the time of the award. U.S. Army Contracting Command, New Jersey, is the contracting activity (W15QKN-19-C-0032).

 

[LoooSeR]

   GM-94, pump action magazine fed grenade launcher that effectively replaced single shot underbarrel grenade launchers on AKs in SF units (especially in FSB TsSN).

[LoooSeR]

   During discussion of ATGMs on otvaga forum members went intoa field of types of guidance/homing system on modern ATGMs like Spike and MMP. Both of them have 2 channel imaging system (visible light/TV and IR), but their exact implementation is different.

   Spike ER2 have 2 visible optics lenses for thermal imager and visible light camera build into single unit. in such set up TV camera may see things a bit different thanks to different shape/angle of transparent nose in front of it compared to what thermal imager can see. 

 

   French MMP have different execution of their sensor

 

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   Their optics assembly is 2 sided, each side is occupied by one channel - TV and thermal imager on the other side. Here is TV camera visible on MMP:

 

   So it is possible that Spike ER2 can switch channels mid flight, while MMP probably would have problems with losing target during rotation of their optics array assembly to 2nd channel, especially moving target.

 

   Some videos of MMP firing using TV or thermal optics. 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

   Interesting sight for Chinese grenade launchers

 

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[LoooSeR]

   40 mm modular weapon system "Standart-40"

[mr.T]

Chinese sight for the grenade launcher seems to include a rangefinder which is quite nice to have with anything firing low velocity rounds so you can get on target without wasting ammo.

[LoooSeR]

   Iranian launcher for 2 Dehlaviyeh (Kornet copy) ATGM.

 

   According to system description it is pretty advanced system, minus SACLOS ATGMs. Taget tracking in automatic mode, can fire 2 missile one by one or in salvo, it can be remote controlled (150 meters using cable), have thermal imager and video record system, etc.

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https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/842730.html

 

[LoooSeR]

https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/843203.html

   Decoy for ballistic missiles - 5.1 kg module, 4 of those can be mounted on single missile.

 

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[LoooSeR]

   TsSN FSB Directorate A with RPG-26

[LoooSeR]

https://www.vitalykuzmin.net/Military/ARMY-2019-Exhibition-pavilions

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RMG, RShG-1, RPG-27, RPG-30 and RPG-28 grenade launchers

 

 

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RPG-7V1 grenade launcher and PG-7VL, PG-7VR, TBG-7VL and TBG-7V grenades

 

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AGS-40 Balkan grenade launcher

 

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9M113M Konkurs-M ATGM

 

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9K115-2 Metis-M1 ATGM system

 

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[Militarysta]

 

My article in english version Frag Out! Magazine:

https://fragout.uberflip.com/i/1150145-frag-out-magazine-25/69?

 

This time about Panzerfaust 3 and RGW90 familiy. For user here may be interesting part about PzF-3T/IT test in Poland vs ERA.

 

 

[LoooSeR]

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Militant from groups that support The Government of National Accord with ATGM 9K115-2 Metis-M1 at the approaches to Tripoli.

 

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[LoooSeR]

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Palestinian militants with captured Israeli MATADOR and M72A7 LAW.

[LoooSeR]

   Shmel and Shmel-M in SAA

 

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