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38 minutes ago, Ramlaen said:

 

Yes, and the fact that it happened during the Sarkozy presidency raise some suspicions as well.

But before that Gadhafi and Sarkozy used to have very good relations (Ghadafi receiving every courtesy when he visited in 2007):

 

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5 minutes ago, Alzoc said:

 

Yes, and the fact that it happened during the Sarkozy presidency raise some suspicions as well.

But before that Gadhafi and Sarkozy used to have very good relations (Ghadafi receiving every courtesy when he visited in 2007):

 

 

The US had friendly relations with Ghadafi right up until they didn't:

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1 hour ago, Collimatrix said:

 

The US had friendly relations with Ghadafi right up until they didn't:

 

Most country did, but I guess that having a presidential campaign financed by Ghadafi is less common.

Especially that donations for presidential campaign cannot exceed 4600€ (for a physical donator), and are forbidden for moral entity French political party excepted (they can fund the campaign of the candidate they support).

 

That in order to avoid lobbying (especially foreign one) as much as possible.

 

The campaign are funded through private bank loan and through the state (which will reimburse a part of the expense).

The expense cannot exceed a certain sum (generally around 20 millions)

 

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financement_des_campagnes_présidentielles_en_France

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13 minutes ago, Collimatrix said:

 

Interesting.  How much money did spend on that?

 

Allegedly around 5 millions € in cash (which is way above the 4600 € max for a private donator) and possibly more through other ways.

Also 5 millions more would have put Sarkozy above the maximum expense allowed for the 2007 election (apart from the fact that it was potential bribery from a foreign country)

 

Max: 21 594 000 €

 

Candidat Results (1st round) Expense Refund (state)
Nicolas Sarkozy46 31,18 %    20 962 757 € 10 783 200 €
Ségolène Royal47 25,87 %    20 615 776 € 10 797 000 €
François Bayrou48 18,57 %    9 722 080 € 8 083 000 €
Jean-Marie Le Pen49 10,44 %    9 318 617 € 8 083 000 €
Olivier Besancenot50 4,08 %    918 330 € 808 300 €
Philippe de Villiers51 2,23 %    3 090 323 € 808 300 €
Marie-George Buffet52 1,93 %    4 822 819 € 808 300 €
Dominique Voynet53 1,57 %      1 369 202 € 808 300 €
Arlette Laguiller54 1,33 %    2 106 642 € 808 300 €
José Bové55 1,32 %    1 180 481 € 723 178 €
Frédéric Nihous56 1,15 %    839 729 € 808 300 €
Gérard Schivardi57 0,34 %    712 988 €

695 418 €

 

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Well, it's a good thing that I don't live in a country where presidential candidates receive large amounts of money from Arab dictatorships.

The US news media is painting Sarkozy's arrest as a very big deal indeed.  But the US news media consists of liars and idiots.  How important is it really?  And what are the likely effects?

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7 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

Well, it's a good thing that I don't live in a country where presidential candidates receive large amounts of money from Arab dictatorships.

The US news media is painting Sarkozy's arrest as a very big deal indeed.  But the US news media consists of liars and idiots.  How important is it really?  And what are the likely effects?

 

It's not a very big deal.

Every body know that Sarkozy was corrupt/stole public money.

It's just that so far he managed to squeeze himself between the bars, either by putting the blame on somebody else, through procedural error or lack of evidences.

 

This time they seem to have to substantial evidences against him so we will see.

 

But his party Les Républicains (republican right wing, more or less equivalent of Republicans in the US) have a long history of being corrupt and stealing public money.

And it's only getting worse since de Gaulle left the power.

Chirac stole public money, Sarkozy did, Fillon did and countless others.

Nothing out of the ordinary really, but they still have people to vote for them anyway.

 

Now things are changing a bit since the election of Macron.

Basically he took the centrist electors and politicians from both the traditional left (PS) and right (Les Républicains).

So what used to be the two major party in the 5th Republic are dying by getting more and more radical and getting closer to the extremes (which will IMO only make them die faster). But they have to do it because they don't have any political space left between the center and the extremes.

 

But as far as taking bribes from a foreign power goes, I think Sarkozy was the first elected president to do that.

Marine le Pen was also very close to Russia in the last campaign but hopefully she wasn't elected.

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8 hours ago, Alzoc said:

 

It's not a very big deal.

Every body know that Sarkozy was corrupt/stole public money.

It's just that so far he managed to squeeze himself between the bars, either by putting the blame on somebody else, through procedural error or lack of evidences.

 

This time they seem to have to substantial evidences against him so we will see.

 

But his party Les Républicains (republican right wing, more or less equivalent of Republicans in the US) have a long history of being corrupt and stealing public money.

And it's only getting worse since de Gaulle left the power.

Chirac stole public money, Sarkozy did, Fillon did and countless others.

Nothing out of the ordinary really, but they still have people to vote for them anyway.

 

Now things are changing a bit since the election of Macron.

Basically he took the centrist electors and politicians from both the traditional left (PS) and right (Les Républicains).

So what used to be the two major party in the 5th Republic are dying by getting more and more radical and getting closer to the extremes (which will IMO only make them die faster). But they have to do it because they don't have any political space left between the center and the extremes.

 

But as far as taking bribes from a foreign power goes, I think Sarkozy was the first elected president to do that.

Marine le Pen was also very close to Russia in the last campaign but hopefully she wasn't elected.

 

Still, it's good that you French have such faith in your republic.

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23 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

 

Still, it's good that you French have such faith in your republic.

 

Justice is doing it's job (albeit slowly I give you that).

Still I prefer our system where lobbying and expenditures are much more limited and controlled.

Sarkozy got caught cheating and will (hopefully) face consequences.

 

For now he is only detained to be heard (max 48 hours), we shall see by tomorrow if justice decide that there is enough charges and evidences to start a trial.

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Sarkozy has been indicted

 

Basically it mean that the judge think that there is enough preliminary evidences to think he is guilty.

Which mean that the investigation will go on and may end up with a trial.

 

He is charged with passive corruption (he took the money without being asked a specific favour), illegal campaign funding and illegally handling public Libyan funds.

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