StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)

[MoritzPTK]

1 hour ago, SH_MM said:

The protection modules seem old

Those aren't shown in the micro exhibition, just the regular vehicle. I've heard that they were working with RUAG for new RPG protection modules. According to the FFG Brochure the PMMC G5 already had modules capable of defeating RPGs so i don't know the exact reason why they did this.

[DIADES]

13 hours ago, MoritzPTK said:

Technology demonstrator

God save us from stylists and industrial designers.

[SH_MM]

14 hours ago, MoritzPTK said:

Those aren't shown in the micro exhibition, just the regular vehicle. I've heard that they were working with RUAG for new RPG protection modules. According to the FFG Brochure the PMMC G5 already had modules capable of defeating RPGs so i don't know the exact reason why they did this.

 

FFG is an OEM that doesn't have an own armor research and development facility. They rely on armor from other companies such as RUAG. So FFG announcing a new armor module for the PMMC G5 just means that they have funded the integration by themselves.

 

The light-weight RPG protection advertised in the PMMC G5 borchure is probably a refernce to RUAG's SidePRO-LASSO which was integrated into the (M113) G4 on behalf of the Danish Army. The similarity of the G5's design to the G4 likely resulted in a very wide compatibility of the G4's SidePRO-LASSO integration into the G5 without further costs.

 

I suspect that the G5 might be offered with SidePRO-RPG in the future, as the NERA-based SidePRO-ATR armor is significantly heavier. But maybe RUAG (or rather GEKE) has come up with something different... who knows.

[MoritzPTK]

2 hours ago, SH_MM said:

FFG is an OEM that doesn't have an own armor research and development facility

Sure, i am pretty certain that FFG will try to expand in terms of expertise though, facing the upcoming vehicle designs the german army needs.

Entering the field of protection solutions however would hard though, since they would face very fierce competition from GEKE, RUAG and IBD (Rh Chempro). They would have to take over a certain subdivision of a company or hire a lot of employees which given the current size of FFG and the time needed to build up the expertise is just not realistic.

 

 

Here you can also see the small Quadcopter the PMMC G5 could control.

Next to the Genesis demonstrator there's also the Boxer logistics vehicle, which would be a very good choice for the german army IMO.

[skylancer-3441]

On 9/8/2020 at 2:57 AM, MoritzPTK said:

I hope i was able to portrait it in an interesting manner, if there are still questions about the vehicle that i cannot answer, i can ask a curator at the WTS 

Are there any photos or drawings/diagrams of turret's interior? Or at least numbers - I'm interested in where exactly in the vehicle was ammunition storage, and its capacity immediately available for gun or available without manual reloading,

especially since Marder-2's ammo storage was quoted as 110+177 35mm rounds, which for example substantially exceeds CV-9035's 35+35rds (IIRC),

 

in fact it exceeds pretty much every other IFV with similarly large caliber autocannon I can think off the top of my head,

except may be K21 (if automatic feeding mechanism to replenish initial 24 rounds not excluded)

[David Moyes]

 

 

 

[SH_MM]

 

[skylancer-3441]

...Lynx appears next to Bradley, and they couldn't film from some better angles or closer

so, here's KF41 close to one of them M113 versions instead

 

...

another photo 

https://kuruc.info/r/2/218395/

[Wiedzmin]

 

 

 

[skylancer-3441]

more photos or same but in highrez

of Lynx from Brave Warrior 2020

 

 

 

 

https://www.origo.hu/itthon/galeria/20200924-brave-warrior-hadgyakorlat-2020.html

 

and about a dozen photos - there

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2634106493468122&id=1441732669372183

such as

 

 

also this

https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3557867297598775

 

and from the same FB account - 15 more photos, such as:

 

 

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3558157180903120&id=100001266201214

 

 

 

Another video

 

 

 

 

also

 

 

more photos there https://combatant.blog.hu/2020/09/25/lynx_466 along with this claim of unknown accuracy:

 

Quote

62nd Rifle Battalion, belonging to the 5th István Bocskai Rifle Brigade of the Hungarian Armed Forces. The battalion stationed in Hódmezővásárhely will be the first to receive the Lynx:

 

[Gun Ready]

18 hours ago, Wiedzmin said:

 

 

 

Leopard 1 with welded turret used as hard range target. Photos might be taken in Oksbøl firing range. Interesting would be to know what type of KE ammo they used. Was APDS ammo anyhow as no fin markings are seen at the impact holes.

[SH_MM]

1 hour ago, Gun Ready said:

Interesting would be to know what type of KE ammo they used

 

Probably 35 mm training rounds...

[David Moyes]

Assertive Machine Gun



https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1309083416747532289/photo/1

[David Moyes]

RWS on a height adjustment system. 

[Pascal]

British Intelligence on Volkswagen 'Kübelwagen'

[2805662]

Driver training for Australian Boxers. 
 

 

[Clan_Ghost_Bear]

At about 32 seconds in, you can see the Lynx being shown to the Army has 7 roadwheels per side, rather than 6. 

[skylancer-3441]

[MoritzPTK]

 

130mm Gun will also be showcased.

[skylancer-3441]

from physical version of Mittler Report issue on KF41 Lynx (low-res scans are posted on htka.hu forum)

 

So, I've made couple of comparisons, to the best of my ability

[Serge]

Very nice job. 

The Ajax looks like tiny. 

[SH_MM]

Supposedly Hungary is considering buying the Skyranger system, either on Boxer or Lynx. As alternative the new IM-SHORAD variant of the Stryker (though apparently on a different chassis) is being considered.

[2805662]

What appears to be Wiesel 2-based UGVs arrive in Australia. 
 

[heretic88]

19 hours ago, SH_MM said:

Supposedly Hungary is considering buying the Skyranger system, either on Boxer or Lynx. As alternative the new IM-SHORAD variant of the Stryker (though apparently on a different chassis) is being considered.

Unfortunately, the Stryker is the platform in consideration. Would be a VERY bad idea... Not just the chassis. I think the whole IM-SHORAD is a mess. Jack of all trades, master of none. Almost if the designers would have no idea about the real purpose of the system, just different weapons cobbled together.

Well, this is one of the disadvantages of NATO membership. Russia has the exact AA system we need, the Pantsir, and we arent allowed to buy it. 

[Serge]

11 hours ago, heretic88 said:

Well, this is one of the disadvantages of NATO membership. Russia has the exact AA system we need, the Pantsir, and we arent allowed to buy it. 

The Biho can do it too.