Khand-e Posted March 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Because countries like Vietnam, Pakistan, and Venezuela have dedicated industrial bases centered around that cartridge and don't want to change. I was speaking to a Finn the other day about how they'd have to switch to 5.56mm NATO (among other things) if Finland were to become a full time NATO member, he said they should just make 7.62x39mm a NATO standard round. It took me a while to explain whyour this was a bad idea and would never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I was speaking to a Finn the other day about how they'd have to switch to 5.56mm NATO (among other things) if Finland were to become a full time NATO member, he said they should just make 7.62x39mm a NATO standard round. It took me a while to explain whyour this was a bad idea and would never happen. Finland is actually one that has no strong attachment to the round, I think. They were set to switch to SCARs until recently, when they decided upgrading the bombproof Rk. 62 would be more economical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 AKS-74U (Krinkov) competitors in trials (early 1970s).Most notable ones are MA by Dragunov which used polymer (!) receiver, TKB-0116 by Stechkin which used short recoiling barrel operation with rotating barrel lockup and "Smerch" which is a very efficient bullpup ... it managed to fit a full length AK-74 barrel into Krinkov overall length. (Stolen from some random dude's facebook. Miles Vining shared it) D.E. Watters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Shockingly, LoooSeR posted some pictures and videos of the internal workings of some of these weapons in this thread over a year ago: http://weaponland.ru/load/malogabaritnyj_avtomat_dragunova_ma/21-1-0-661 It is gas-operated. Interesting thing about design is that bolt carrier and bolt are moving on a rail, attached to top 'dust cover'. Dragunov's MA compact automatic carabine. I've never seen a picture of the Smerch that isn't a mockup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 What are talking about. There are real BM-30s every year on parades and some in Syria XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Ian is triggered and he doesn't know why: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bronezhilet Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Sturgeon, might you be interested in a paper called "Comparative Study of 9x19 mm Ammunition Combustion Products and Residues"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Ian is triggered and he doesn't know why: Osprey Publishing; Type 14/94 Nambu vs Taurus 24/7: 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 #Syria #Latakia - Army sniper with Steyr SSG-08 sniper rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 So I got my stamp back for my PLR16 and made an impressively light SBR out of it: Sure is ugly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Yeah, but I don't really have a lot of confidence in Kel-Tec's bolt metallurgy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 the one without any headgear on kinda looks like me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Belesarius Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Tied found a good stash of pics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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D.E. Watters Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Is it any good? It is far more detailed than Sam Pikula's book. Ironically, the author notes that he wasn't able to find a copy of the Pikula book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 It is far more detailed than Sam Pikula's book. Ironically, the author notes that he wasn't able to find a copy of the Pikula book. Yes, I spoke with him about that, and he said he wasn't worried that he didn't have Pikula's book, because he used the source material Pikula's book was based on, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.E. Watters Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I'd say that Pikula was harder on ArmaLite's management, and justifiably so. Was the Ordnance Corps playing dirty at times? Undoubtedly, but that doesn't explain why the early AR-10 prototypes would go on to fail in other tests, spectacularly so in Nicaragua. George Sullivan comes off as a snake-oil salesman with gimmicks like Sullalloy (standard 7075). He routinely tried to steal credit from his designers like Gene Stoner and Art Miller, and he didn't even have the decency to quit his day job at Lockheed. In later years, he even used Lockheed's corporate resources to try to market the AR-18. You get the impression that A-I and Colt felt that they had been misled into buying underdeveloped designs. Using Mel Johnson as their representative probably closed more doors to ArmaLite than it opened. Johnson had a notorious reputation for going off on test personnel when test weapons performed poorly. Stoner confirmed that such an incident occurred when the AR-10's sleeved barrel burst at Springfield. Frankly, I suspect that some cases of ill behavior by various test centers were acts of retaliation for Johnson's own antics. ArmaLite's public PR campaign, complete with shameless influence peddling between Richard Boutelle and Curtis LeMay, probably had some in Army Ordnance wondering if they were not going to see a repeat of the Garand v. Johnson dustup of the pre-WW2 era. Sturgeon, Collimatrix, LoooSeR and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 You're a fucking treasure, Daniel. Great insight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Still sounds like a better form of small arms weapons procurement than what we've got today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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