The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.

[LoooSeR]

Type 56 in one of African countries. Still used as a weapon.

 

[Donward]

Looks like Nate's high capacity revolver has been stepping out and seeing other people.

 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/04/08/how-not-to-take-a-gun-selfie/

 

And being scooped by one Nicholas C. no less!

 

To quote one Tied "The Big T" Tiedkovsky "C U C K"

[LoooSeR]

SVR member with PYa.

[LoooSeR]

Small arms & light weapons traded via social media platforms in Libya

 

would be interesting to see their data.

 

[LoooSeR]

Chief Engineer of MKE military factory, the creator of MPT-76, was arrested yesterday by special services when he tryed to sell all the schematics and other information of weapons to an American firm for 1.2 million pounds.

[Belesarius]

Chief Engineer of MKE military factory, the creator of MPT-76, was arrested yesterday by special services when he tryed to sell all the schematics and other information of weapons to an American firm for 1.2 million pounds.

LOLOLOLOL.

[D.E. Watters]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nID=97512&NewsCatID=509

 

 

Chief Engineer of MKE military factory, the creator of MPT-76, was arrested yesterday by special services when he tryed to sell all the schematics and other information of weapons to an American firm for 1.2 million pounds.

[Alex C.]

Question here:

 

Did SIG invent the design whereby the chamber of a short recoil operated pistol doubles as the locking lug?

 

Was this introduced with the P220?

[Collimatrix]

No, the Webley automatic did it first, but the barrel translates rather than tilts in that design.

[Sturgeon]

Pretty sure he means "Webley":

 

Although a Wesley automatic pistol would make for a helluva prop for the sequel:

[Sturgeon]

More on the Webley:

 

[Alex C.]

Would it be fair to say that sig popularized it?

[Collimatrix]

I was typing on the nerd dildo, yes, the Webley automatic.

 

The next common design to use a lug locking into the ejection port is the French M1935S, which obviously was also mass produced and has considerable priority over the SIG.

[Alex C.]

Dammit. I am really trying to give the sig p22x series credit for something, but I am having a tough time.

[Sturgeon]

For the record, the M1935S was the basis for the SIG P210.

Dunno that the P220 was a major innovator in any single area, but it is one of the best pistols of its type in the world. The initial production versions used a weird stamped slide, too, kinda like the HK P9.

[Alex C.]

Yes, the stamped ones are nifty.

[Meplat]

For the record, the M1935S was the basis for the SIG P210.

 

Same designer.

Charles Petter was a Swiss/French citizen.

[D.E. Watters]

Don't forget that some of the first SIG-Sauer P220 imported to the US were sold as the Browning BDA.  I once saw a full set of the P220-based BDA in a pawnshop in Katy, TX: .45 ACP, .38 Super, and 9x19mm.  They also had a P220 chambered in 7.65mm Parabellum.

[Meplat]

Don't forget that some of the first SIG-Sauer P220 imported to the US were sold as the Browning BDA.  I once saw a full set of the P220-based BDA in a pawnshop in Katy, TX: .45 ACP, .38 Super, and 9x19mm.  They also had a P220 chambered in 7.65mm Parabellum.

That must be one of those names they slapped about, the only BDA I know of was kind of a DA GP35. It was neat, but I am a bit too used to a single action auto. (Yet I daily carry a CZ75. Guess how it's carried..).

 

Betting they tried to market it when a metric shit-ton of surplus GP35's were dumped on the market.

[D.E. Watters]

Oh yes, a bunch of Brownings have used the BDA label, but the SIG-Sauer P220 were among the first during the late 1970s.  Another early BDA was the Beretta Model 84 variant.  The BDA380's major differences from the original Beretta were the use of a fully enclosed slide and a slide-mounted safety/decocker. 

[Collimatrix]

Thanks for that D.E. Watters.  Like Meplat, I had only ever heard of the BDA that was somehow a double-actionified GP.

 

Which I'm curious about, now that I think of it.  The original BHP has a rather unusual trigger that does not well lend itself to double action.

[Khand-e]

That must be one of those names they slapped about, the only BDA I know of was kind of a DA GP35. It was neat, but I am a bit too used to a single action auto. (Yet I daily carry a CZ75. Guess how it's carried..).

 

Betting they tried to market it when a metric shit-ton of surplus GP35's were dumped on the market.

 

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[Khand-e]

Thanks for that D.E. Watters.  Like Meplat, I had only ever heard of the BDA that was somehow a double-actionified GP.

 

Which I'm curious about, now that I think of it.  The original BHP has a rather unusual trigger that does not well lend itself to double action.

 

That's more of an issue with the magazine disconnect safety to be fair, removing it will take something like half the trigger pull weight off.

[Meplat]

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Haha. No, I reblocked an old SD Myres for mine.

Getting to where most folks have no idea what a first/early /pre B CZ looks like. Let alone what a proper CC rig looks like.

Sad that a holster made in the 1930's/40's is still one of the best for me.

 

 

Besides in that scene, I'd have rolled up in a Fed-Ex or UPS van , dropped a false side and laid waste with at minimum a PKM/M60 at at max a GAU8/A. Assuming I HAD to go "full Hollywood"

 

 

it'd be far easier to just sit down the block a skosh with an IR LASER designator and a radio.

[D.E. Watters]

The various HP-DA and BDA were not true HP variants.  Even D.J. Saive's post-WW2 attempt at a DA pistol didn't keep much in the way of parts commonality with the basic GP35.

Back in the 1970s, Louis Seecamp converted a pair of commercial HP for double-action.  I suspect that it worked like his DA conversion for the M1911.  The trigger would pull a draw bar which engaged a pin added to the side of the hammer, camming the hammer into the conventional single action position.  At that point, the factory action parts then take over to trip the sear.