LoooSeR Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Quote Zastava M21 at the Saber Guardian-2017 exercise F2000 in Georgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meplat Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 9 hours ago, LoooSeR said: What is old, is new. That mount looks a skosh "wiggily" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 The Army has gone full retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 No you see, soldiers will not run out of ammo sooner than with a 5.56 rifle because they are going to make them carry the same quantity. Also wanting mags for 210 rounds when no one makes 30 round .308 mags? To me this is a backdoor method to force the adoption of a new cartridge like .264 USA or whatever. Once they get their AR-10 type rifle it will be a simple matter to caliber swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, Ramlaen said: No you see, soldiers will not run out of ammo sooner than with a 5.56 rifle because they are going to make them carry the same quantity. Also wanting mags for 210 rounds when no one makes 30 round .308 mags? To me this is a backdoor method to force the adoption of a new cartridge like .264 USA or whatever. Once they get their AR-10 type rifle it will be a simple matter to caliber swap. They're pretty up front about the caliber swap option down the road, but it will be to .260 or 6.5 Creedmoor. This will also be stupid as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I imagine this has been pointed out before, but the advocate bias here. Poly cased 5.56 would give you 252 rounds (at 20% lighter). Alternatively for the weight of 210 poly M855A1 you could only have ~119 poly or ~87 brass cased M80A1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Yes, Jim Schatz was extremely well-regarded, but also extremely biased. Although, not sure where you're getting your figures from. M80A1 is approx. 23.7 grams per, versus 12.0 grams per for M855A1. So I am getting 106 rounds brass-cased, 139 for brass-based composite polymer cased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 On the bright side, equipping troops with a weapon that requires a heavier ammo load now means the selection of the SIG modular handgun is all the more relevant as a backup/last ditch weapon when a soldier's 7.62 rifle goes dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Forgotten Weapons takes a look at the Breda Modello 30: Here are my takeaways: 1) These must have cost an absurd amount of money. The receiver is extremely large, and has a large amount of complex machining. 2) Is that magazine... milled? It really looks milled. 3) DON'T TRUST PRINT SOURCES! The disassembly makes it very clear that this gun is recoil operated. Wikipedia (and whatever Wikipedia is cribbing from) says it's blowback operated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 The magazine was never meant to leave the gun, so I assume they figured milled was ok? Regardless, that rifle is pants on head retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 18 hours ago, Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect said: The magazine was never meant to leave the gun, so I assume they figured milled was ok? Regardless, that rifle is pants on head retarded. Yep. The design is horrible on many levels. The video is worth watching for aspiring designers as a guide of what not to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Uh oh: The funniest thing that could happen from this is if Glock tried to make hay with it in regards to the XM17 program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Mongolians. They look like some villian minions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Collimatrix said: Uh oh: The funniest thing that could happen from this is if Glock tried to make hay with it in regards to the XM17 program. Not having a trigger safety, and having a light pull are bad ideas!? Who knew! Oh right. Glock did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 It's funny that the lighter weight triggers seem to do much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Quote Islamic State DIY anti-materiel rifle mounted on a UAZ-469. That's new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Belesarius said: It's funny that the lighter weight triggers seem to do much better. We need to be clear that he means lighter mass triggers, not higher pull force triggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, LoooSeR said: NEW TRUCK MOD FOUND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 10:16 AM, Collimatrix said: Forgotten Weapons takes a look at the Breda Modello 30: Here are my takeaways: 1) These must have cost an absurd amount of money. The receiver is extremely large, and has a large amount of complex machining. 2) Is that magazine... milled? It really looks milled. 3) DON'T TRUST PRINT SOURCES! The disassembly makes it very clear that this gun is recoil operated. Wikipedia (and whatever Wikipedia is cribbing from) says it's blowback operated. For the individual shooter though, they are really nice . A friend owned one and it handled well. Weird, but well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 5:00 PM, Sturgeon said: The Army has gone full retard. The comments were "as expected". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplesauceBandit Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 It begins Collimatrix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I feel like if Sig wants to get ahead of this the need to make the trigger safety a standard feature instead of an option and offer replacements to existing owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 It's out of controoooool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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