politics Post Election Thread: Democracy Dies In Darkness And You Can Help

[Sturgeon]

I liked the part where he said the point of Hampshire college was to create a bubble for liberals to feel safe in.

[Toxn]

A bit of trivia dug up from the before times:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/business/economy/the-mirage-of-a-return-to-manufacturing-greatness.html

I think the diagnosis of the problem is correct in the greater scheme of things, but the proposed solutions are hilarious. Education, healthcare and green energy. Really? That's what's going to provide a living wage to the 25% of the population left behind after manufacturing?

The true takeaway here, I think, is that nobody has the right answer yet. Heck there may not even be one, at least if you constrain the possible answers to those that include 95% employment of working age citizens.

We're all in the dark here.

[Sturgeon]

I think at some point you have to choose between cheap imports and a robust domestics that provide jobs at home. And I think you should choose the latter.

 

It wouldn't solve everything, but it would help a lot, I reckon.

[Toxn]

I think at some point you have to choose between cheap imports and a robust domestics that provide jobs at home. And I think you should choose the latter.

It wouldn't solve everything, but it would help a lot, I reckon.

It seems that the emerging consensus is that manufacturing in general is dead, so trying for domestic job growth there ends up being agricultural subsidiaries all over again.

Worse, I think that a consensus is forming that service sector jobs are also dying, so the 1990s plan of going post-industrial is stillborn.

We're fucked, basically. At least in as much as our societies are built around the idea of global capitalism and full employment as normal, desirable things.

[Sturgeon]

It seems that the emerging consensus is that manufacturing in general is dead, so trying for domestic job growth there ends up being agricultural subsidiaries all over again.

Worse, I think that a consensus is forming that service sector jobs are also dying, so the 1990s plan of going post-industrial is stillborn.

We're fucked, basically. At least in as much as our societies are built around the idea of global capitalism and full employment as normal, desirable things.

 

In the long run, I think you are right. My hope is that eventually enough meaningful busy work will be created to keep our inner monkeys happy, but that requires a pretty radical re-envisionment of the current concepts of both welfare and employment.

Fortunately, I think that monkeys are made happy by their work having value to other monkeys, so a mass hallucination that the ditches you dig and refill are super valuable would probably work.

[Toxn]

In the long run, I think you are right. My hope is that eventually enough meaningful busy work will be created to keep our inner monkeys happy, but that requires a pretty radical re-envisionment of the current concepts of both welfare and employment.

Fortunately, I think that monkeys are made happy by their work having value to other monkeys, so a mass hallucination that the ditches you dig and refill are super valuable would probably work.

comieboos ahead of the curve again - we already have our own ditch

[CrashbotUS]

This is actually relevant to this thread towards the end.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVcKsecg2Uk

This gave me a double Goody's Powder headache. 

[ShamefurDispray]

A bit of trivia dug up from the before times:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/business/economy/the-mirage-of-a-return-to-manufacturing-greatness.html

I think the diagnosis of the problem is correct in the greater scheme of things, but the proposed solutions are hilarious. Education, healthcare and green energy. Really? That's what's going to provide a living wage to the 25% of the population left behind after manufacturing?

The true takeaway here, I think, is that nobody has the right answer yet. Heck there may not even be one, at least if you constrain the possible answers to those that include 95% employment of working age citizens.

We're all in the dark here.

The thing with manufacturing is that it creates a lot of wealth. While post-industrial societies with their services can make a lot of money, they won't be creating a lot of wealth. The large disconnect in wealth and money made can create issues when trade is disrupted for whatever reason. High industrialization would in theory produce a more stable economy as it keeps people employed and a lot of wealth can be created.

 

The solution that was proposed just takes the idea even further, with all the advantages and disadvantages.

[Walter_Sobchak]

Is it just me or does Steve Bannon look like the kind of guy that reeks of bottom shelf liquor?

[Sturgeon]

Yes.

In related news, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/howard-dean-steve-bannon-nazi/

[Walter_Sobchak]

Every time I think about this election, I just keep quoting Shortround in my head.  "Hang on Lady, we going for a ride."

 

[Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect]

Every time I think about this election, I just keep quoting Shortround in my head. "Hang on Lady, we going for a ride."

That's racist.

I think.

I'll have to double check with CNN.

[Walter_Sobchak]

That's racist.

I think.

I'll have to double check with CNN.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is racist?!?  Actually....it kinda is.  Funny thing, I have been to numerous Indian restaurants and I have yet to find one that serves chilled monkey brains or eyeball soup.  

[Walter_Sobchak]

Vandal paints anti-Trump expletive on SLO veterans tank

 

This is one of the dumber forms of protest I have heard of.

[Donward]

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is racist?!? Actually....it kinda is. Funny thing, I have been to numerous Indian restaurants and I have yet to find one that serves chilled monkey brains or eyeball soup.

It's hard to find authentic Thugee Cult cuisine in the US. Not to mention the heartburn you get afterwards...

[Sturgeon]

You know, I've never actually seen Temple of Doom.

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

You're missing out, Kate Capshaw was a hottie!

[Donward]

You're missing out, Kate Capshaw was a hottie!

And her acting skills were good enough to let her marry the director!

[Donward]

Of course I can still remember the looks on my parents' faces when we sat down at the old Lewis and Clark Theater in SeaTac and were treated to this intro to an Indiana Jones movie.

DAFUQ wasn't in common usage in the 1980s but it should have been.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeURx3mYck

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

And her acting skills were good enough to let her marry the director!

 

He left his first wife for her didn't he?

 

I remember the intro dress being slinkier.... 

 

 

Edit- The 80s ruled!

[Donward]

He left his first wife for her didn't he?

I remember the intro dress being slinkier....

Edit- The 80s ruled!

Of course the '80s ruled!

Which is why Americans voted for the living personification of the 1980s in Donald Trump.

[Donward]

Since the highest and best use of these election threads is to mock Libertarians and Gary Johnson, let this be known.

 

Oddsmakers Put Tom Brady Ahead of Gary Johnson in 2020

 

 

According to oddsmakers, Johnson has a 500-to-1 chance of being President behind Jill Stein who gets 300-to-1 odds and Brady who garners 100-to-1 odds.

 

Johnson is currently tied with Kim Kardashian and Vince McMahon.

 

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

Nice, you think this BS with Stein challenging the election results in three key states has any legs?

[ShamefurDispray]

Nice, you think this BS with Stein challenging the election results in three key states has any legs?

Yeah. she received death threats from DNC and Soros.

[Donward]

Having been part of a recount in 2004 in Washington's governor's race, the number of ballots that flipped then were 500.

It is a bit much to suppose those states where the difference is - what - 100,000 or more how that many Clinton votes can be magicked up.