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On 11/9/2022 at 9:58 AM, Cleb said:

M1A2s and an M1A1 of the 1st Battalion, 7th Calvary Regiment during the recent Project Convergence 22. According to DVIDS photos at least one M1A1 was equipped with an ATLAS System as shown in these photos.

 

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m1-abrams-tank-tested-with-artificial-intelligence-targeting-system

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Regardless of whether there are blowoff panels and/or whether composite armor, ERA or the Iron Fist APS can negate KE and CE threats, it is still a curious place to position the non-ready storage. It doesn't even look accessible from inside the turret basket or the driver's compartment.

 

If the tank crew wishes to replenish the ready storage mid-combat, it means the vehicle has to disengage and find sizable cover, have the driver jump out of his seat, pop open the glacis side door and then start handing the rounds, one by one, to the TC or gunner perched on top of the mantlet. It would be so much simpler if that task could be done from the inside, even if it means doing weird body contortions and, later on, experiencing big lumbar pains.

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48 minutes ago, Renegade334 said:

Regardless of whether there are blowoff panels and/or whether composite armor, ERA or the Iron Fist APS can negate KE and CE threats, it is still a curious place to position the non-ready storage. It doesn't even look accessible from inside the turret basket or the driver's compartment.

 

If the tank crew wishes to replenish the ready storage mid-combat, it means the vehicle has to disengage and find sizable cover, have the driver jump out of his seat, pop open the glacis side door and then start handing the rounds, one by one, to the TC or gunner perched on top of the mantlet. It would be so much simpler if that task could be done from the inside, even if it means doing weird body contortions and, later on, experiencing big lumbar pains.


That’s been the design since the CCVL days in the 80’s. Three compartments of ammunition; ready (i.e. turret) & either side of the driver. Replenishment of the ready ammunition requires the driver to get out as you say. 
 

Regarding compartmentalisation, this configuration passed crew survivability qualification in the 90’s. There’s some footage on YouTube of the testing, similar to the Abrams stuff with artillery air burst & shaped charges. 

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3 hours ago, 2805662 said:


That’s been the design since the CCVL days in the 80’s. Three compartments of ammunition; ready (i.e. turret) & either side of the driver. Replenishment of the ready ammunition requires the driver to get out as you say. 
 

Regarding compartmentalisation, this configuration passed crew survivability qualification in the 90’s. There’s some footage on YouTube of the testing, similar to the Abrams stuff with artillery air burst & shaped charges. 

 

It was acceptable in the eighties is not a great argument for storing ammunition high and forward in the hull on a 'new' vehicle in the twenty twenties.

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1 hour ago, Ramlaen said:

 

It was acceptable in the eighties is not a great argument for storing ammunition high and forward in the hull on a 'new' vehicle in the twenty twenties.


Not saying that it is a great argument, just that the design hasn’t changed since inception.
 

In terms of “high & forward”, the M8 is very similar to Leopard 1 & 2, location wise, but at least this is compartmentalised & tested for crew survivability.
 

From my understanding - it’s been a while since I dived into M8 - the hull stowage passed its testing (i.e. the driver survived ammunition deflagration of each of the hull stowage locations), but the turret stowage required redesign, testing, & qualification which was completed prior to type classification as the M8 in the 1990’s. 

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Spoiler

What DefenseRomania has been announcing for almost a year, namely Romania's intention to purchase American Abrams tanks, has been confirmed by the Romanian Ministry of Defense.

Our publication has announced several times that Romania has also sent a letter of intent regarding the purchase of American Abrams tanks.

Also under discussion was the German Leopard 2 tank.

As for the confirmation for Abrams, it came from Major General Teodor Incicaș, head of the General Directorate for Armaments. The official of the Ministry of National Defense said in the Ministry's weekly podcast that the request for the purchase of American Abrams tanks is to be sent to Parliament.

Even if we do not yet know the details of the tank version that the Army will purchase, as well as we do not have data on the purchase price, we do know their number.

Major General Teodor Incicaș confirmed that it was a battalion. In the context where in the current NATO organization a battalion consists of 54 tanks, the Romanian Army will have at least 54 American Abrams tanks.

"These days we will send to the Romanian Parliament, for the prior approval of the Parliament, the purchases that refer to the howitzers propelled on tracks. Also the tracked infantry fighting vehicle, short and very short range air defense systems, and two types of missiles for F-16 aircraft. At the same time, we are in the process of going towards the prior approval of the Parliament, our requests regarding the approval of a battalion of Abrams tanks", confirmed the representative of the Ministry of Defense.

Major General Teodor Incicaș was later asked "Why Abrams?". He specified that the decision belonged to the General Staff of the Land Forces and was taken following an evaluation.

Advantages and disadvantages of the two tanks At the same time, the Abrams tanks that Romania will purchase will integrate modern systems at the request of our Army.

"Regarding this tank, I'm amused that everyone imagines that an old tank will be purchased without knowing the American specifics of tank modernization", added General Incicaș, who specified that the Abrams protection system is a high-performance one and new equipment will be integrated on the tanks in accordance with the version required by our Army.

"Why (n.r. - Abrams' choice for Romania)? Very simple. Because the General Staff of the Land Forces considered that for the mission of the brigade that it wants to strengthen with this type of tank, Abrams is the best means and has a uniqueness in carrying out the missions", added the head of the General Directorate for Armaments from within the Ministry of Defense of Romania.

Another important aspect will be that the acquisition will be done through the G2G (government to government) procedure, in the context where the acquisition only targets one battalion.

"Regarding this tank, being a battalion, the product will be acquired through a government-to-government (G2G) procurement, not being sold in a commercial system of the direct relationship with the company," concluded the major general Teodor Incicaș.

 

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