VPZ Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Ramlaen said: It has the boxes on the roof that were in graphics for Trophy, perhaps those blocks on the turret face really are the 'ballast kits'. The other tanks with Tophy didn't have additional armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 8 hours ago, VPZ said: The other tanks with Tophy didn't have additional armor. During testing it was found that Trophy imbalanced the turret enough that it effected traversing while inclined, which led to a 'ballast kit' being made. This would explain why Trophy is so heavy in the DOT&E report. DIADES 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanch90 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I think it's more likely that its additional armor to get to C levels without having to manufacture a new turret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-L-M Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 That's not an M1A2C hull Nor does it appear that an upgrade to the turret would be deployed minus the hull upgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanch90 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, N-L-M said: That's not an M1A2C hull Nor does it appear that an upgrade to the turret would be deployed minus the hull upgrades. Both things are not mutually exclusive. If you had the chance to upgrade your older tanks to a protection level similar to your newest and shiniest for a low cost, would you miss it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPZ Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 One with additional armor and another without it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) According to DOT&E, Trophy on Abrams weighs 3.9 tonnes. Maybe the panels on the front of the turret assist in maintaining the centre of balance on the turret Race? eta: while the turret front panels may add incidental protection, I think their primary rationale is as a counterweight. Edited February 12, 2020 by 2805662 Clarification. DIADES 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-L-M Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Thats quite the bold assumption to make regarding ease of retrofit of armor package upgrades, should they even be the case. Considering how that turret has Trophy electronics boxes on it, as well as the cheeks, but for example still only has the older CROWS- I consider it more reasonable to assume its the counterweight for a few reasons- 1. If that isn't the counterweight, what is? Considering how the Trophy installation is biased aft, youd need a counterweight fore. 2. A frontal turret armor upgrade, alone, of all the M1A2C upgrades, doesn't make much sense. 3. While trophy counterweights are known to exist, retrofit armor improvements to older Abrams aren't. 4. This turret add-on looks substantially different from M1A2C turrets seen. For a start, on those the actual armor cavity was extended forwards, whereas this lump is clearly welded on to the existing turret face, which would mean very poor actual volume for armor inside it. 5. These cheek expansions only appeared after initial Trophy testing which showed turret imbalance issues. 2805662 and Ramlaen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 @2805662 One company, not one battalion. https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/12/09/abrams-crews-are-taking-new-kit-to-europe-in-2020-to-counter-proliferation-of-portable-rockets-missiles/ 2805662 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 N-L-M, DIADES, Karamazov and 2 others 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPZ Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 After all, why does M1A2C have additional frontal armor - for protection or for balancing APS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 both? DIADES 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Ramlaen said: both? Exactly. If you have to add mass for the sake of mass, then adding it in the form or armour is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 4:45 AM, VPZ said: After all, why does M1A2C have additional frontal armor - for protection or for balancing APS? The armour upgrades for M1A2C are independent from the APS efforts, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarshipDirect Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 http://imgur.com/gallery/nG68BT2 Does anyone have any pics of that Abrams variant that had two RWS displayed at AUSA 2007? I found only one from a bad angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan_Ghost_Bear Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 https://insidedefense.com/insider/jette-says-original-competitors-intend-recompete-omfv 11 competitors have reached out to the Army about the new OMFV. DIADES, Ramlaen and Scolopax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 11:38 PM, Insomnium95 said: http://imgur.com/gallery/nG68BT2 Does anyone have any pics of that Abrams variant that had two RWS displayed at AUSA 2007? I found only one from a bad angle. Spoiler There's probably more kinds of stations for the loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 https://www.army-technology.com/news/raytheon-delivers-third-generation-flir-system-to-us-army/ Raytheon has delivered a ‘third-generation’ forward-looking infrared (FLIR) system capable of seeing through smoke, rain, snow and fog under a contract with the US Army signed in 2016. Raytheon says the new FLIR system gives personnel four fields of view—wide, medium, narrow and ultra-narrow— and the ability to ‘see across long- and mid-wave IR bands simultaneously with a stabilised line of sight.’ Raytheon Land Warfare Systems vice president Sam Deneke said: “Making the leap from second- to third-generation FLIR is like moving from a standard tube television to high-definition 8K. elRAS3 is 55% smaller and lighter than the LRAS3. LoooSeR, Scolopax, Clan_Ghost_Bear and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just as a reminder if you hadn't heard, the USMC intends to retire its heavy AFV fleet, so no more Marine Abrams. Jackvony and Clan_Ghost_Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackvony Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 So this beauty is just dead on arrival. Sad Also, is there any evidence this new third-gen thermal is being placed on Abrams models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 59 minutes ago, Jackvony said: Also, is there any evidence this new third-gen thermal is being placed on Abrams models? The M1A2D / M1A2 SEPv4. Jackvony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 A better non paywall article about USMC armor. https://news.usni.org/2020/03/23/new-marine-corps-cuts-will-slash-all-tanks-many-heavy-weapons-as-focus-shifts-to-lighter-littoral-forces Clan_Ghost_Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan_Ghost_Bear Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Seems silly to completely ditch tanks. What happened to the Marine MPF buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarshipDirect Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Clan_Ghost_Bear said: Seems silly to completely ditch tanks. What happened to the Marine MPF buy? That was never a plan to acquire light tanks. Ramlaen and Clan_Ghost_Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Clan_Ghost_Bear said: Seems silly to completely ditch tanks. What happened to the Marine MPF buy? I would need to doublecheck but IIRC an MEU only has like a single platoon of Abrams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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