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12 March fresh new video here

just so many of good footage,praise the IRINN.IR

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so,Karrar MBT aka T-90MS mod 2017 Iranian limited Edition 2.0

Has finally have a bit long TV report,and what is this?

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when i see this ‘barrel protective case’ thing,the only thing in my mind is

"NO,T-72I4! It's him! He is Back!"

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but after watch the video i pretty sure it's nothing but reference ~

first noticed difference is the ERA kit

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Karrar 'ERA kit is smaller, have 6 plate on each slide front

compare to T-90MS 's 4 larger size Relikt ERA

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the thickness of the ERA are pretty close so i guess it's just the smaller new Relikt variant

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RCWS/Commander panoramic sight Station

huge muzzle brake but it seems just a 7.62mm RCWS,but looks cool

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also the sight itself looks a cheaper product compare to T-90MS

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Digital map,commanding system and Vehicle information Display 

this is pretty good, Karrar may have the best digital equipment in all Iranian tanks,not even Zulfiqar-3

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normal vision channal of the commander sight

 

for the gunner,i noticed something interesting

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now this is something new, the Karrar have a whole new gunner sight,so obviously the new gunner sighting system is not simply rip-off from russian

but the really interesting thing is, it keeps the 1K13,which compare to T-90MS removed 1A45 completely and replaced by Sosna-U and a back up sight

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why is this?  @Lightning think, that Iran hasn't prepare or able to create their own laser guide coding equipment,if they want to use 9K120 ATGM system,they need keep the 1K13 for laser coding

which i found is a high possibility that could be true

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karrar‘s gunner displayer compare to T-90MS

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let's expect more information of this tank in the future

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MM said that. But the EFCS-3, as he said, lacks some of the features seen on the new sight. And the new sight was likely newly developed in Iran.

Given that I have not seen a similar looking FCS yet on other tanks, or in the portfolios of the companies I have checked, it does seem likely that it was newly developed.

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Yuri Lyamin's LJ post on a subject:

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   The presentation ceremony was held in Tehran in the presence of the Minister of Defense and Logistics of the Armed Forces of Iran, General Hossein Dehgan, and it was also announced that the serial production begins at the industrial complex Bani-Hashem near the town of Dorud in the province of Lorestan.
   As I wrote earlier, the Karrar tank itself seems to be a modernized version of the T-72. Actually a tank factory near the city of Dorud was built with the help of Russia in the 1990s. It was building licensed T-72S from the components supplied from Russia. After the break of contracts of the supply of tanks parts by Russia to Iran in accordance with the agreement of the Gore-Chernomyrdin of 1995, the factory mainly engaged in the overhaul and modernization of old AFVs.

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   P.S. Judging by the pictures from the tank factory, it looks like it is really a mass production. But still I would like to see them in the troops in notable quantities. In Iran, the presidential elections on the nose, during this period they are always trying to demonstrate achievements, but ususally there are often problems with serial production/modernization [of new vehicles].
   On frames from video of the factory, a completely new welded turret for new tanks can be seen, in contrast to the cast, which was on the T-72.

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13 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

MM said that. But the EFCS-3, as he said, lacks some of the features seen on the new sight. And the new sight was likely newly developed in Iran.

Given that I have not seen a similar looking FCS yet on other tanks, or in the portfolios of the companies I have checked, it does seem likely that it was newly developed.

On otvaga forum members think that it is Iranian upgraded version of sight from Slovenian "Fotona" company.

 

   Also, more footage. In the middle part you can see a bit more about sights of the tank and RCWS. RCWS sight can move in limited arc, separe from where HMG is facing.

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   Some thoughts: at first when Karrar was shown i and many people on Russian military-related forums assumed that this was UVZ-aided developed "Iranian" T-90MS or simply re-painted MS, that was done as part of UVZ attempt to sell their product to Iran using refreshed relationships after Russian operation in Syria begun. Cooler heads on this forum like SH_MM pointed out that it was more likely to be Iranian attempt to make their own upgrade for T-72S or just a PR stunt.

   GurKhan things that it was made in attempt to use it as a pressure during "probable" UVZ-Iran negotiations to buy T-90MS tanks. There is alo another version that Karrar is product that Iranian industry will use to secure internal AFV market by not giving UVZ free access ("why we need to be T-90MS from Russians if we can make basically same vehicle here on our own?"). Third view is that this vehicle is attempt to catch-up with other nations in the region in terms of AFV capabilities.

 

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   Some differences between T-90MS and Karrar: no laser sensors and muzzle reference system on Karrar, different FCS sensors of air condictions, secondary sight for GL-ATGMs is not presented on T-90MS as main gunner sight have this capability build in. Engine on Karrar looks like to be V-84.

Charly015 made a pic comparing Karrar with T-90MS externally

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14 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

On otvaga forum members think that it is Iranian upgraded version of sight from Slovenian "Fotona" company.

 

   Also, more footage. In the middle part you can see a bit more about sights of the tank and RCWS. RCWS sight can move in limited arc, separe from where HMG is facing.

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   Some thoughts: at first when Karrar was shown i and many people on Russian military-related forums assumed that this was UVZ-aided developed "Iranian" T-90MS or simply re-painted MS, that was done as part of UVZ attempt to sell their product to Iran using refreshed relationships after Russian operation in Syria begun. Cooler heads on this forum like SH_MM pointed out that it was more likely to be Iranian attempt to make their own upgrade for T-72S or just a PR stunt.

   GurKhan things that it was made in attempt to use it as a pressure during "probable" UVZ-Iran negotiations to buy T-90MS tanks. There is alo another version that Karrar is product that Iranian industry will use to secure internal AFV market by not giving UVZ free access ("why we need to be T-90MS from Russians if we can make basically same vehicle here on our own?"). Third view is that this vehicle is attempt to catch-up with other nations in the region in terms of AFV capabilities.

 

lol, Britain still uses the Chieftain apparently. 

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10 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

 

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What's up with the handprints on the barrel? 

Seeing how this is based off the T-90 and not the M47 Patton or FV101, I can see the Iranians wanting to actually produce this in limited numbers. Maybe they'd give them to an IRGC armored unit to parade around in, kinda like the Zulfiqar. 

 

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   Fresh picture of Karrar

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   Some changes that are visible - what looks like barrel reference system and 2 (probably) laser sensors on "edges" of frontal ERA, T-90M style. Mast on turret roof with laser sensor also have changes, but i can't say what it is now or what exactly was done with it from this pic.

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         The armed fight against Israel until the complete liberation of Lebanese territory (including the Shebaa farms) and aid to the Palestinians in the struggle against the invaders were proclaimed as key objective of "Hezbollah". Therefore, anti-Israeli views are put at the center of patriotic party rhetoric. In this regard, "Hezbollah" is positioning itself not as a Shia party in the multi-confessional Lebanon, but as a nationwide movement. In fact, Hezbollah in Lebanon has formed a complete culture of resistance, supported by competent propaganda efforts: periodic celebrations in memory of the "fallen martyrs", publishing work, aimed at a better understanding of history, folk art contests, social program, etc. It resonates not only in the Shia community, but also attracts other communities of the country.
         The intervention in the armed conflict in Syria, on the one hand, distract "Hezbollah" from its main purpose - the protection of southern Lebanon, and the other side serves this purpose, as a possible regime change in Syria would weaken the party. Syria provides the main transit route for arms from Iran, "Hezbollah".
       

       
         However, this is not the main reason for the decision of "Hezbollah" to take part in the Syrian war. With the deepening of the conflict and the emergence of a growing number of foreign jihadists in Syria, it became apparent that the country was transformed into an arena for regional confrontation. Groups of Islamic radicals, and foregin-controlled FSA/"Moderate" opposition, have threatened the established order of things. Moreover, for "Hezbollah" is vital to prevent their penetration into Lebanese territory. Nasrallah, in one of his speeches, said: "Some insist that Lebanon's problem is that "Hezbollah" went to Syria. I would argue that the problem of Lebanon is that [we] were late.
      <...> If takfiri-terrorists prevail in Syria, we will all be destroyed".    It should be emphasized that "Takfiri" that Nasrallah and other Hezbollah-connected medias mentions, wrongly interpreted by many observers and journalists as the Sunni Islamism. "Hezbollah" maintains relationships with a number of Sunni Islamist groups. Summarizing the Syrian radical groups by "takfiri" term (no "murtads", comrades!), "Hezbollah" thus draws attention to the threat posed by these groups to religious minorities (including Shiites). Support for Syria by "Hezbollah" can not be considered only in the interfaith dimension. Mukowama actions and Hezbollah involvement in any way is not a support of the Alawite community, as many brain-dead journalists and sell-out medias tries to show it.  
         The factor of the need to protect Shiite shrines are used to mobilize the Lebanese community (and by some degree Iraqi shias as well), but, in general the party avoids movement to inter-confessional conflict, especially in Lebanon. The main motive of "Hezbollah" is not religious, but political. It is vitally important priority remains the preservation of the "axis of resistance" and the current balance of forces in the region. Therefore, the party comes to the Syrian events otherwise than to the "Arab Spring" as a whole: not as a confrontation between the people and the yet another tyrant regime, but as the United States  Israel and their allies attempts to change the regime in Syria. Following the logic of "Hezbollah", problems could be solved with the help of internal reforms Syria problem, while the intervention of Western countries, pressing their interests, must be prevented. In this context, "Hezbollah" has repeatedly stressed the readiness of Assad to reform and dialogue with the opposition.
         For a long period of "Hezbollah" refused to acknowledge their involvement in the conflict while expressing support for the Assad and Syrian government  with words only (or nearly words only). 
         In 2011, Nasrallah defined the party's position in relation to the events in Syria as:
      priority is stability and security; call for the Syrian people to choose the path of dialogue, rather than confrontation with the government, and to allow him to carry out the necessary reforms; non-interference in the Lebanese internal affairs of Syria; denial of sanctions promoted by the West and imposed on Lebanon.    Leaders of "Hezbollah" has repeatedly stressed their belief that the conflict will became long war, and hoped to avoid direct participation.    INTERVENTION IN CONFLICT will be covered in 5th posts in this thread.  
       
         2. "Military Wing" of Hezbollah [WIP]
       

       
         There is no military unit in Hezbollah political party structure per say, the armed organisation that is usually refered as Hezbollah is a separate structure called Lebanese/Islamic Resistance or Al-Mouqowama/Al-Mukowama/Al-Muqawama, created because of southern Lebanon occupation by Israel. Al-Mukowama continue to grow and improve and currently it is one of most combat effective forces (relative to their size) in ME.
         Al-Mukowama is basically smaller and poorer version of IDF and In fact in 2000s most of Al-Mukowama equipment was Israeli-made. Recruitment is conscript-based, with big number of active reservists (periodically going to training facilities). Officers are usually somebody with plenty of combat experience, some of which gone trough training in Iran (including specialists like ATGM gunners and etc.).
         From 2006 Al-Muqawama was working on their Armor branch of forces, which they revealed during later stage of Syrian war. Resistance also have pretty seroius insititute of military advisors, number of which were working in Iraq with shia paramilitaries, were spotted multiple times in different parts of Syria and rumors say that they are involved in Yemen conflict, although i have no photo or video evidence to confirm such claims.
         Overall numbers are unknown, but counting reservists it may reach 40k. Primarly Al-Muqawama forces are light infantry, which is well equipped by ME arab countries standarts. Each member usually have 2 sets of equipment with wood/forest/green and desert camos (usually locally produced), protection (bodyarmor and helmets), ammocarriers (plenty of old Israel gear copies) and so on. Squads have internal organisation similar to army units - grenadiers/infantrymens/sharpshooter with DMR/MG gunner, medic and so on. Tankers, Marksmans, RPG gunners - all have basic infantry training as well, they can be seen carrying some version of AK as secondary weapon. Resistance also have dedicated AT units, reconnaissance, AA, artillery. As i already said - this is pocket version of actual army without Navy and air forces.
         Currently Al-Muqawama have bases not only in Lebanon, but in Syria as well (Qusayr/Al-Quseir for example).
       

       
         3. Why it is allowed to exist in parallel to LAF [WIP]
         The simple question why inside of one country effectively 2 armies are allowed to exist can be answered in this 2 ways - Lebanon is not 1 country, it is more of a collection of communities that share borders, so it can have more than 1 armed groups that exist officially (How about Lebanese communists armed wing? Yes, they do exist)... or those 2 armies are doing what other army can't and second answer is something that i feel is closer to reality. 
         Because of sophisticated interal policy of Lebanon state, LAF to start to act needs approval from several interested groups (which plenty of times have conficting views), which lead to LAF being slow to respond or even incapable to do something that situation may require. And this is where Resistance comes into play - it can be used to do the job that official army should have been doing, but can't because it may start serious tensions in Lebanon. Primary example - Syria, through Syria-Lebanon border plenty of terrorists groups are trying to get into country and LAF is doing almost nothing to prevent it, which led to Al-Muqawama cleaning border and fight in areas in Syria, close to Lebanon (Arsal, Beeka, 1st and 2nd Qalamoun, battle for Zabadani being best examples).
         It appears that Lebanon intelligence service - the G2 - is closelly connected to Al-Muqowama. Abbas Ibragim, the head of G2, was once reported by Al-Manar as coordinator of Army and Al-Muqowama actions in recent years. On 12 December of 2015 his nephew (Mohammed Hussein Ibrahim) was KIA in Syria in SW part of Aleppo province, which also shows some connections between him and Al-Mukowama. Another interesting example of possible connection between LAF and Resistance is Saudi Arabia canceling military aid for LAF about a year ago, which Saudi officials explained as punishment of LAF for support of Al-Mukowama.
        Also:



       

      Lebanese President Michel Aoun with Hezbollah MP Mohammad Raad surrounded by Al-Muqowama fighters at a Hezbollah site in South Lebanon.
       
       
         4. Iran - Al-Muqawama connection [WIP]
         As i already noted, some Resistance personal gone trough training in Iran, for example - several Kornet ATGM teams before 2006 Lebanon war. It appears that in recent years Resistance advisors work with some of shia units that also have Iranian support, primarly in Iraq. There is not much information on this, but small pieces are getting to public. There was an event several years back when Iranian general was KIA during Israely strikes on Al-Mukowama base at Lebanon-Israel border. Another point - recently shown Al-Muqawama AT teams vehicles are armed with double Kornet launchers, which were spotted in Iran, AFAIK.
         Most blatant example of Iran-Hezbollah connections is this recently appeared photo of now dead Al-Muqawama officer Syed Aqeel Fahas with IRGC General Qasem Soleimani.
       

       
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