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Videos of live fire exercise celebrating that Forsvaret has finally received its last CV90s:

https://www.tu.no/artikler/vi-har-samlet-det-beste-fra-cv90s-skytedemonstrasjon-i-en-video/464305

https://www.tu.no/artikler/vi-sender-live-forsvaret-feirer-panservogn-leveranse-med-skarpskyting/463551

 

 

Another video from forsvaret:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Apparently the Norwegian government is suing both BAE Systems and Rheinmetall Norway AS (formerly Vinghog AS, a Norwegian company) regarding the recce variant of the CV9030NF1 (Mk. IIIb) vehicle, after there were changes to the specifications of the Vintaqs II's observation mast (not sure if the Norwegian Army decided to change the specifications or BAE/Rheinmetall). Two years ago Norway therefore decided to start the procurement of an alternative sensor mast.

 

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CV90 with Vintaqs II

 

 

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Found an article about this that also mentions which sensors systems they’re looking at to replace Vingtaqs II. According to Rheinmetall Norway/Vinghøg, it’s the lack of clear and comprehensive specifications that has caused the delays in the delivery of this system. It then gets a bit confusing further down where it says that according to sources who were involved with the CV90 project, a decision was made to attach the sensor system to the hull instead of attaching it to a movable system???

 

Anyway, I guess the armed forces must have zero confidence in Rheinmetall Norway’s ability to deliver the product in the coming years because otherwise it seems a bit harsh to go so far as to cancel it in a world where we’re still waiting for NH90s that were ordered almost two decades ago…

 

2 hours ago, SH_MM said:

the recce variant of the CV9030NF1 (Mk. IIIb) vehicle

 

 

 

Minor nitpick, but the CV9030NF1 is the designation for the 17 Mk I vehicles that were upgraded for service in Afghanistan. The designations for the new CV90 include CV9030 Mk IIIb if we're talking about the entire fleet of vehicles with turrets, and if we're talking about the specific variants, it's CV9030 SPV (the IFV), CV9030 STRILED (the command & control variant) and CV9030 OPV (the recce variant).

 

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600 million NOK to new combat vehicles for the Army

 

The government will accelerate the upgrade of the Army's CV90 combat and support vehicles, and will spend almost 600 million NOK on this. In the new long-term plan for the defense sector, the Army will have four mechanized battalions, all of which are set up with CV90 combat and support vehicles. A hastening in the process of upgrading these means that the Army will initially be supplied with another 20 CV90 combat and support vehicles. The acquisition will be carried out directly from the Norwegian industry in the period 2020 - 2023.

 

https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktuelt/fremskynder-forsvarsplaner/id2704271/?utm_source=www.regjeringen.no&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS-2581966-ownerid380

 

It looks like Norway is going to acquire another 20 CV90. There is no info on what variants this order will include, but if it’s a direct purchase from the Norwegian industry, I suspect there will be more of the turretless support variants based on Mk I hulls. It was the Norwegian industry that was responsible for rebuild of these vehicles the last time, and Norway should still have more hulls available as out of the original 104 CV9030N (Mk I), 16 hulls have been upgraded to CV90RWS STING (combat engineer vehicle), 16 to CV90RWS Multi-BK (multi-role mortar carrier), 37 have been sold to Estonia and a few have also been used in mine/IED tests. In any case, as suggested by the wording in the second to last sentence of the quoted paragraph, Norway will probably have to order more CV90s than that (and of the turreted variants as well if those aren't included in this order) if it wishes to realize the army structure mentioned in this post.

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Just a couple of updates to the last few posts…

 

It has been confirmed that the 20 additional CV90s for the Norwegian Army will be CV90RWS variants based on rebuilt Mk I hulls. We still do not know the composition of the upcoming order, but unless they decide to add additional variants to the Norwegian CV90 family, there are only two to choose from, namely CV90RWS STING (combat engineer vehicle) and CV90RWS Multi-BK (multi-role mortar carrier). This also means a third order of (between 20-40 vehicles, if I have to guess) CV9030 MkIIIb will also probably take place sometime in the next years

 

Regarding the upcoming lawsuit between Rheinmetall/Rheinmetall Norway and the Norwegian state, more details have been revealed here as well. The article is pretty long, but I’ll translate the parts that I found to be the most relevant:

  •  According to Oslo district court, it was discovered that the original spring charged sensor mast could be a safety hazard for personnel inside the vehicle.
  • The updated version, however, is claimed to be too sensitive to harsh environments to fulfil the Norwegian requirements.
  •  This issue can apparently be fixed by switching to an electronically stabilized camera, which Rheinmetall Norway had originally intended to be a part of the system but abandoned for reasons that are not specified in the article.
  • Because of these as well as other delays, the Norwegian side concluded that it would take several years  until the system could be delivered, and that’s why they decided to terminate the contract in 2018.
  • For these reasons, the Norwegian state will also be suing Rheinmetall for 76,6 MNOK, as well as the cost of acquiring a new sensor system!

 

  • Rheinmetall & Rheinmetall Norway are refuting the claim that the updated solution would not fulfil the Norwegian requirements. They are also pointing out that their solution has been found acceptable by both the Norwegian Border Guard (fitted to their border installations) and the Malaysian Armed Forces  (on the AV8 Gempita).
  • They are also claiming that most of the delays were caused by an incompetent Norwegian project management failing to come up with clear and comprehensive requirements, demanding several changes after the contract had been signed, as well as attempting to but failing badly at coordinating the CV90 project/BAE Systems Hägglungs and the Vingtaqs II project/Rheinmetall Norway (according to Rheinmetall, a better solution would have been to let Hägglunds handle the CV90 part of the Vingtaqs II project, as had been planned initially).
  • In another article, Rheinmetall have also been really leaning into the angle that incompetency is running rampant in the Norwegian Defence Material (and its predecessor in the Norwegian Defence Logistics Organization) by pointing to various acquisition projects that have been problematic (NH90, Archer etc.). To prove this, they’ve also issued a request to be able to go through the documentation of all Norwegian acquisition projects in the later years, but the court did not allow this, stating that it would be sufficient if Rheinmetall can prove that the project management have been incompetent in this specific case.
  • (On a sidenote, one would think it that might not be the smartest idea to attack the entire agency from whom you’ll be competing for contracts in the future, but it certainly did not stop Rheinmetall Norway from winning a contract on the delivery of new soft-mounts for the M2A2Ns.)
  • For these reasons, Rheimetall claim that Norway did not have the right to terminate the contract, and are demanding that the latter pay a refund at the discretion of the court (calculated to be at around 125 MNOK).

 

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The 100th refurbished and upgraded CV90 has been delivered to the Swedish Armed Forces:

 

 

The RENO of 172 Strf 9040 (IFV), 40 Sripbv 90 (FCV), 22 Epbv 90 (FOV), 12 Bgbv 90 (ARV)  and 16 Lvkv 90 (AA) includes the following changes:

 

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Protection

  • Reverse camera for driver
  • New type of batteries
  • Electrically driven commanders chair

 

Firepower

  • Browning M1919 (SweMG m39) -> FN MAG (SweMG m58)
  • New internal design (FC & FO vehicles)
  • Improved kill ratio CV90
  • All CV90 family equipped with 40 mm gun (except ARV)

 

Sensors

  • Battle Management System
  • New radios
  • New IRV-camera (FO & AA vehicles)
  • New radar monitor and command monitor (AAV)
  • Changing navigation equipment, NAV 90 -> POS 2

 

https://plsadaptive.s3.amazonaws.com/eco/files/event_content/CY59uoNfwTShAV6orby6TYDsGNTmYrADO5auSTX2.pdf

 

Although not mentioned in the list above, the ARV variant also gets a Saab Trackfire RWS. All upgraded vehicles also get a "D" added to their designation (e.g. Strf 9040 D, Bgbv 90 D etc.).

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The choice of a roof mounted MG on the Strf 9040 D instead of a typical coax is an interesting one. The drawbacks of such a solution are obvious; you can no longer carry out barrel changes, clearing malfunctions etc. from the relative safety of the AFV's interior. Now, on the up-armoured Strf 9040 C, the Swedes were perhaps willing to accept such drawbacks because they regarded the existence of a weak spot/gap in the armour (as you for example could see on the pre-production CV9030 OPV) as a worse pill to swallow. The Strf 9040 D does not have this armour, but it could be that they're planning on acquiring it at a later stage (the PDF document in the previous post confirms that they're at least looking into various options). According to this blog, there is another explaination, however, namely that there apparently wouldn’t have been enough room for the BMS if they didn’t get rid of the coax. Of course, these explanations do not have be mutually exclusive either.

 

Anyway, onto something a bit different…

 

Here are some recent photos of Norwegian CV9030 MkIIIb in Lithuania:

 

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In the three years that have gone by since we started seeing Saab Barracuda MCS on Norwegian CV90s, I’ve never actually seen it on more than just the odd vehicle here and there. I guess the money and/or will isn’t there to outfit entire units (even just a platoon or two) or they must still be testing it.

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