Beer Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Are you sure the Caesars in Ukraine are equipped with the muzzle radar? Also the 40 km maximum range applies for base-bleed projectile, not the common NATO HE. Are you sure that Ukraine was supplied with base-bleed ammunition or even SPACIDO kits? Yes, I know that the standard HE disperion looks like an elipse. I think the values stated in STANAG 4635 gives the longitudinal axis of the elipse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, Beer said: Are you sure the Caesars in Ukraine are equipped with the muzzle radar? The guns transferred were taken directly from the French army stock so they should have it and it can be seen on the video we have from the Caesar in Ukraine : Spoiler Spoiler 33 minutes ago, Beer said: Also the 40 km maximum range applies for base-bleed projectile, not the common NATO HE. Are you sure that Ukraine was supplied with base-bleed ammunition or even SPACIDO kits? As for the the ammunition Ukraine received, unfortunately I have no idea. Though as I said even with plain dumb HE round, the radar should help somewhat with internal ballistics correction for the next shell (by how much though, I have no idea). For comparison the PzH 2000 (155mm L52 as well) apparently achieve a range of 30 to 36 km using DM121 (which should be a basic HE round, @SH_MM?). No matter how you look at it, 22km is far from using the full capability of those guns (even when using regular ammunition). It may be in order to achieve greater accuracy and limiting the exposure time, but with only 6 of those guns for now, that's probably not how they should be used. In my opinion (for the little it's worth^^) they should use their range to surprise the Russians where they think they are safe from regular artillery. Yes shoot & scoot is what the system is designed for, but that's still taking a lot of risks with weapons they have in a very small number. Even if the guns can leave the area before the shells land, Russian UAV are probably looking for enemy artillery at around 20 km from the "frontline". That being said, I obviously don't have all the informations and there may be a very good reason (some already cited here) as to why the Ukrainian are limiting themselves to barely over 20 km. Beer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 About CAESAR in Ukraine : - firing sequence of 4min 20sec ; - trained in France in 2 weeks ; - 80 artillery pieces destroyed claimed. https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-en-ukraine-des-artilleurs-ukrainiens-utilisent-des-armes-francaises_5180191.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Serge said: About CAESAR in Ukraine : - firing sequence of 4min 20sec ; - trained in France in 2 weeks ; - 80 artillery pieces destroyed claimed. https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-en-ukraine-des-artilleurs-ukrainiens-utilisent-des-armes-francaises_5180191.html I think that throwing ridiculous numbers around doesn't help anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 Claimed. Do you know the crocodile syndrome ? Large mouth with short arms. Plenty of crocodiles at war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 I'm more interested in the fact that they were used against artillery and yet the range to the target was of only 17 km (very short range once again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 9, 2022 Report Share Posted June 9, 2022 Printscreen of the second video in the thread (+ other screen of the Caesar management system) : @BeerSeem like the shells they are using are of French origin. For the fuzes I can guess that "FRAPPE FR" stands for impact fuze (Fr) while "RALECF3 FR" stands for Radioélectrique F3 (probably programmable fuze for airburst/delayed/proximity fuze?). As for the shells they are the OEF4 and OEF1. The OE (Obus Explosif) F4 is apparently the LU211 in Nexter's catalogue with a range of 40 km (base bleed) when fired from an L52. As for the OEF1, my guess is that it is the LU107 which is a derivative of the US M107 with a slightly improved range (22 km claimed) and that can be fired from L52 gun using a reduced propellant charge. So all the range to the target claimed around 20 km could be the result of using the LU 107 which caps out around this range. As for TCM, it stands for Top Charge Module. In the second video, in the status screen, on the gun side (right) the "Trajectory correction" can be seen in red, which could mean that the Ukrainians didn't get guided shells or SPACIDO compatibles ones. If anyone can understand what the guy is saying that would help^^ Beer and David Moyes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted June 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 For anyone interested in following Eurosatory 2022 exhibition : https://blablachars.blogspot.com/2022/06/en-attendant-lundi.html?m=1 Blablachars blog will provide many posts. Beer, SH_MM, Gun Ready and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just a few words to this photo from your link because both things are new. The first is the heavy Tatra ARV Treva 30 which is equipped with 30 ton crane and 25 ton winch. The second vehicle shows most likely the configuration for Belgian army, i.e. with a new armoured cabin. CSG should show also a new development step of their SPGH now with 52 caliber gun. Clan_Ghost_Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Griffon in the Sahel region : Scolopax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 Leclerc XLR pictures : Pretty much what we saw on the mockup and nothing groundbreaking on the outside. The main upgrades are an RCWS on standard (finally), a bit of up-armouring and most importantly the Scorpion BMS on the inside. Beer and Laviduce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 Arquus Scarabée with an Hornet RCWS combining a 12,7 mm and an MMP ATGM : Hornet is developing a version with two missiles. Laviduce and LoooSeR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 VBCI vs Leclerc race on flat terrain in the desert : Laviduce, Serge, FORMATOSE and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanou Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Hello My pics at eurosatory : XLR : https://bit.ly/3tBwPba Jaguar : https://bit.ly/3HsNGTm Griffon & Serval : https://bit.ly/3NYhlpP TItus : https://bit.ly/3xyRpKi VAB Mk III : https://bit.ly/3OjL6B4 Caesar : https://bit.ly/3HtbNRG Scarabée https://bit.ly/3Op3hFTI'm still at eurosatory tomorow, let me know on discord if u need something, i'll try to get a bit of time to take a shoot. Alzoc, LoooSeR, Scolopax and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Not specifically devoted to AFV but... a video about the year 2021 tests campaign of the DGA, French directorate for armement. even nuclear weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Proposed AMX-30 upgrade by EODH : Spoiler Somewhat similar to the Leopard 1 C2 I guess : Quote In collaboration with Approved Partners and Supplierswe offer complete upgrade packages in order to replace obsolete components, to ensure maintainability and the integration of current technologies, to improve mobility, survivability, firepower and interoperability. The chassis hull is stretched and reinforced to accommodate a new power pack based on a turbo-diesel engine coupled to an automatic cross-drive transmission A new double-pin track system is integrated, and the suspension adapted to the new configuration The entire electrical system is replaced with a new digital vetronics package including advanced sensors and power distribution A 7kW APU is developed specifically for the AMX-30 The turret electrical system is replaced by a new digital package for firing circuit, power distribution and control of all turret systems The sighting equipment is replaced by a new generation FCS and GCS The 7.62mm cupola is replaced with a 12.7mm A.A. machine gun An automatic fire suppression system is installed in the engine compartment New generation add-on composite armor on the front arch, sides and roof Side skirts with coverage of most of the suspension Optional perimeter cover with cage type armor FORMATOSE, Laser Shark, Laviduce and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 Kinda putting it here by default, but a very interesting read nonetheless : An essay on French warfare from (late) WW2 to nowadays and how it may be impacted by the lessons being learned in Ukraine, all from a British PoV. https://wavellroom.com/2022/06/22/french-army-warfare/ The article start by doing an history of French doctrine and how it evolved through time. Nothing surprising here, manouver to keep the initiative, strike at ennemy weak points using concentrated effects then disperse to avoid retaliations. Mobility, firepower, good information acquisition and quick decision making being key for this kind of doctrine. The downsides being that logistics become quickly very complicated when every battle group is off doing what they think they need doing and a potential lack of resilience if the enemy doesn't lose steam despite the raids conducted by French forces. What I take from the article is that the author is saying that the war in Ukraine is currently showing an advantage to defensive doctrines (where conventionnal artillery is key) and that the French army, with it's lack of "mass", resilience (mainly in the amount of material and ammo available) and shortfall in some capabilities (low altitude air defence for example) will have to rethink it's logistics and size as well as to how conduct agressive actions against a dug-in ennemy. On the other hand the current French army has some strength that coul be leveraged in a conflict analogue to the one in Ukraine. Like already being adept at forces dispersion, having short decision loops (autonomy of low level officiers, infocentric and network based warfare) and the ability to quickly tailor ad-hoc battle groups suited for the current objectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted July 5, 2022 Report Share Posted July 5, 2022 EBRC Jaguar walk-around at Canjuers military camp, southeastern France. Also a closer look of the 40 mm CT ammunition (inert, display models), some interior views of the turret and VBMR Griffon troop compartment : Serge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanou Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 Hello guys Our article about ASCALON, Any review would be pleased https://lasd.online/140-ascalon/ Laviduce and TWMSR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWMSR Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 Nice. Rheinmetall gun is said to be L52 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Chanou said: Hello guys Our article about ASCALON, Any review would be pleased https://lasd.online/140-ascalon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 VABs arrived in Ukraine : http://www.opex360.com/wp-content/uploads/vab-ukraine-20220729.jpg Nothing ground breaking, it's just an APC and the one seen in the tweet is in its barebone configuration (VAB VTT with nothing but a manual 7,62 on top). Spoiler 13,8 tons 320 hp 10 dismount + 2 crew 110 km/h top speed (about 8 km/h in water) Protected against 7,62 mm all around but no mines protection to speak off (at least in the base version) Now that the Griffon are starting to be delivered in significant numbers we should be able to give older VABs to Ukraine in large quantities (we still have 2500 of them in service with over 4000 delivered to the French army). Though most of them are in terrible conditions (or plain not running) given their extensive use in operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 French version of the BV Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted October 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 Funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 Armée de Terre's promo video about the Jaguar : Some images of the outsides and rolling, but the most interesting parts are a peek of the gunner and commander positions as well as some gunnery. Clan_Ghost_Bear and watch_your_fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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