watch_your_fire Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Old vid of an AMX-30 going for a swim Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted December 6, 2022 Report Share Posted December 6, 2022 Combined arms exercise in the Alps : Ramlaen and Clan_Ghost_Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Leclerc, VBL and VBCI at the range in Romania : Laviduce and watch_your_fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 2022 retrospective of the DGA (bunch of stuff and only a part of it related to AFV) Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 VBMR Serval testing the new modular camouflage in snow : Żółć 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 Officials (apparently) 3D models of the Jaguar, Caesar (6x6), Griffon and Serval by the ministry of Defense : https://sketchfab.com/armees_gouv With detailed crew compartment with the exception of the Jaguar. From AD.net Cleb, Laviduce and 2805662 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 Cool photos of Serval Spoiler Clan_Ghost_Bear and Alzoc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 Lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 French Army new promotional video of their Leclerc tank : Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Spoiler Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburashka Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 I have a few questions about the French FL-11 turret mostly used on the Panhard EBR ad on a few AMX-13 hulls. How was the turret controlled/driven? By the rotation speed on this video(https://youtu.be/F4aXdDNLgUY) I suspect that at least the horizontal drive was electrically driven. Did the gunner and TC have a duplicate set of controls? What were the sights used by the gunner? Any photos of the interior would be greatly appreciated. I only found some pictures from the PrimePortal, but they do not show much. Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted May 3, 2023 Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 On 5/2/2023 at 7:29 PM, Cheburashka said: How was the turret controlled/driven? By the rotation speed on this video(https://youtu.be/F4aXdDNLgUY) I suspect that at least the horizontal drive was electrically driven. Given that it was a vehicle from the 50's I sincerely doubt that it was electrically driven. An electrical drive will be smoother and have more torque than an hydraulic one, but it won't be inherently faster. The FL-10 turret (long 75 mm) was hydraulic so I see no reason for the similar FL-11 to be any different. Spoiler On 5/2/2023 at 7:29 PM, Cheburashka said: Did the gunner and TC have a duplicate set of controls? On that topic I won't be categorical, but I very strongly doubt it. The hunter-killer concept came much later around the 80s to 90s (Leopard 2, M1A2, AMX-40) and even later for Soviet/Russian designs. Keep in mind that the original concept behind the EBR dates back to 1938-1939 (The prototype wasn't using the FL-11 turret, but it already was an oscillating one) and was updated and put in production in 1951. https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/engins-blindes/blindes-a-roues?task=view&id=78 Spoiler FCS on tanks weren't even a thing back then (only on ships and some AA guns). On 5/2/2023 at 7:29 PM, Cheburashka said: What were the sights used by the gunner? APX-L 852 x5,8 direct vision scope + 2 periscopes for situational awareness 2 Iron-sights (one for the commander and one for the gunner) for rough pointing of the gun 8 periscopes for the tank commander https://www.mvcgfrance.org/le-b-r-panhard-mle-51-ou-la-revanche-de-la-roue/ As for photos of the interior, there are some of the 90 mm conversion of the FL-11 here, but the turret is in a very bad shape : https://chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/liste-chronologique/de-1945-a-1990?task=view&id=41 Cheburashka and Laviduce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburashka Posted May 7, 2023 Report Share Posted May 7, 2023 @Alzoc thank you very much for the info and for the links! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 Leclerc XLR firing sequence test : Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 VBCI T40 at Canjuers (Nexter's promo video) : Serge and Clan_Ghost_Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted July 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 First use of the new Centaure armoured riot control vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 An article about the new French camouflage concept. https://www.edrmagazine.eu/the-french-army-unveils-its-new-cam-tac-camouflage-scheme-on-the-vbmrl-serval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted July 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 Video about the French vehicles of the Bastille day 2023 military parade https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_july_2023_global_security_army_industry/a_detailed_look_about_combat_vehicles_at_french_national_military_day_parade_2023.amp.html Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scav Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 https://imgur.com/a/xs5pgoN AMX-30 at the Gunfire museum. Rather inconsistent, the LFP, mid front plate and a small section of the UFP attached to the mid plate are all cast. The UFP is made up of about 5 parts, the section close to the nose/midplate, this is one big cast piece together with part of the LFP, then there's a middle section which is just under the driver's hatch, this seems to be made of rolled steel and only about 50mm thick as opposed to the ~65mm cast section, both of these are roughly at 68°. Then there's two plates next to and around the driver's hatch, this area is also 50mm thick but at about 75°, both of these are probably rolled steel but the one in which the driver's hatch sits has a cutout for the cast driver's hatch. This hatch is quite weird and has some cavities in the frontal portion where I wrote "15-20" because there seems to be some mechanism on the inside. For the driver's hatch itself there's about 40mm of cast steel, rather heavy (and perhaps grimed up). Around the turret ring it's a ~15mm plate, didn't get to check on the engine deck unfortunately. The rest of the hull is fairly "normal". The turret is a disaster frankly, the mantlet had lots of cavities and was very hard to measure, the whole roof including the bit above the mantlet is only 20mm thick, it's thickest parts are only around 45mm thick around the rangefinder, all the rest is less, generally between 40 and 30mm. Rangefinder itself is around 20mm for both the housing and the cover. I have pictures from the inside as well, the internal height was just 170cm for the loader, his station was rather "crowded and none of the periscopes he has access to are easy to use or see much, the deadzones are probably around 20m or so. Commander's seat is alright, his main periscope lacked the bottom mirror/periscope bit, but the 360° ones were all there, he has slightly better field of view than the loader, even for the loader's side, but the periscopes were at an uncomfortable height with no more adjustment on the seat to go up. The gunner's station is very cramped and the main FCS/sighting system wasn't present, he has a side looking periscope which is unusable unless you stand up (quite slippery floor even with boots!), the unity sight same thing and the seat had no real adjustment. His shoulder was right up against the (depressed) gun and the recoil guard will move with it, perhaps you would get used to it, but it seems rather worrying. Even though the gun seemed to be fully recoiled and elevated, it was quite difficult to get from one side of the vehicle to the other. Overall "ergonomics" seem to be almost an afterthought and the armour scheme is quite strange, some areas are not "bad" but many others are simply horrendous. That 20mm thick angled roof right above the mantlet for example. TWMSR and Laviduce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronTibere Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 https://www.forcesoperations.com/la-modernisation-ulterieure-du-leclerc-parmi-les-objectifs-du-cemat/ Further Leclerc upgrades to deal with MGCS delays. Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 AMX-32 archive film : https://imagesdefense.gouv.fr/fr/amx-32.html# Credits to @Sovngard for posting it on another forum Clan_Ghost_Bear and BaronTibere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronTibere Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 I always found the stabilization system on the AMX-32 and early AMX-40 extremely odd. The gun is stabilized by slaving to the commander's SFIM 580, but this sight does not have access to the rangefinder or ballistic corrections of the FCS, so there's still not really an ability to fire on the move. Was the intention just for the commander to slew the gun onto the target while moving and then come to a stop to let the gunner go through the firing sequence? I think they later added a base stabilization to the AMX-40 but it all just seems convoluted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, BaronTibere said: I always found the stabilization system on the AMX-32 and early AMX-40 extremely odd. The gun is stabilized by slaving to the commander's SFIM 580, but this sight does not have access to the rangefinder or ballistic corrections of the FCS, so there's still not really an ability to fire on the move. That's the way I always understood it. 1 hour ago, BaronTibere said: Was the intention just for the commander to slew the gun onto the target while moving and then come to a stop to let the gunner go through the firing sequence? I think so. It is a rudimentary way of having an hunter-killer capability which needs a commander input (preferably from a stabilized sight) that can override the gunner commands and put the gun directly on target without the commander having to hand-over the target to the gunner manually (which takes precious time). The exact definition of an hunter-killer capability depends on who you ask but generally the goal is to shorten the time between target acquisition (commander) and firing on it (gunner or in an emergency directly the commander). More modern system allow the commander to queue targets in the FCS and the gunner can just switch from one to the next with acquisition done (mostly) automatically. It is a capability that most 1st and 2nd (and even some 3rd) gen MBT lacked (The Abrams only acquired it with the A2 version in the 90s for example). The system on the AMX-32/40 allow for shorter firing sequences (less than 10s as stated in the video) and "some kind" of gun stabilization when the tank is moving (by continuously slaving the gun to the commander sight). True it wasn't a full stabilization system since the tank still had to stop for the gunner to fire at longer ranges. But at "combat range" (<1000~1500 m) the commander could just fire on the move without any kind of elevation or (much) lead corrections since at that range an APFSD trajectory is mostly flat and will reach the target in less than 1s (minimal lead corrections required). It allowed the tank to react much faster in case of a close range encounter (assuming that it was the commander who spotted the target). 1 hour ago, BaronTibere said: I think they later added a base stabilization to the AMX-40 but it all just seems convoluted. Well remember that no tank had a full "fire on the move" capability until the 90s anyway. Mostly gun stabilization was a way to allow for a quicker firing sequence after coming to a full stop or was mostly limited to firing only in the frontal arc at a much reduced speed (see below at around 0:50) : Serge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scav Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 20 hours ago, Alzoc said: Well remember that no tank had a full "fire on the move" capability until the 90s anyway. Mostly gun stabilization was a way to allow for a quicker firing sequence after coming to a full stop or was mostly limited to firing only in the frontal arc at a much reduced speed (see below at around 0:50) : That's simply incorrect. AOS like cadillac-gage stabilisation did allow fire on the move capability, albeit in a limited fashion. However, vehicles like Leopard 2 and M1 (to a lesser degree) would have no issues firing on the move and were not limited compared to vehicles from the 90s. Once the "gun follow sights" FCS/stabilisation method was used, the accuracy was more than sufficient to reliably hit targets on the move. On the WP side similar systems were used as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted September 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 Very optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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