David Moyes Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 https://twitter.com/armeedeterre/status/1105496693062189056https://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/actu-terre/dans-les-coulisses-de-fabrication-du-griffon Mighty_Zuk, Collimatrix, skylancer-3441 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skylancer-3441 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Serge and Laviduce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 For the mean time: Updated Special Armor Locations: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Fuel Tank Locations: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Main Gun Ammunition Locations: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Crew Locations: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Armament Locations: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Powerpack Location: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Scolopax, Ramlaen, Serge and 14 others 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-L-M Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Extremely impressive, very well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Gorgeous. 3 hours ago, Laviduce said: Armament Locations: Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents I find the coax HMG barrel a little bit long. Do you have pictures of the suspension ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Since the aim of this project is to estimate the vulnerability of the Leclerc Series 1, the suspension is not as detailed as the rest. I was thinking once I get the vulnerability maps done and have some time on my hand I will go back to flesh out the suspension. Concerning the Browning, i took extra care to use technical drawings and other 3d models as a reference. The size, shape and proportions should be reasonably close to the real M2HB. Either way, If you have more detailed information dealing with the length,shape and size of the M2HB I would be grateful if you could share it with me. The total length of the M2HB seems to vary between 1560 mm and 1656 mm depending on the model. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m2-50cal-specs.htm https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/M2_Browning Spoiler Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Laviduce said: Since the aim of this project is to estimate the vulnerability of the Leclerc Series 1, the suspension is not as detailed as the rest. I was thinking once I get the vulnerability maps done and have some time on my hand I will go back to flesh out the suspension. Suspension is part of the protection. This is why it’s interesting to show it. 4 minutes ago, Laviduce said: Concerning the Browning, i took extra care to use technical drawings and other 3d models as a reference. The size, shape and proportions should be reasonably close to the real M2HB. Either way, If you have more detailed information dealing with the length,shape and size of the M2HB I would be grateful if you could share it with me. I was wrong. In fact, I used to see the Leclerc without the HMG in place, so it looks like shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Serge said: I was wrong. In fact, I used to see the Leclerc without the HMG in place, so it looks like shorter. This also confused me for a while when i saw this: Spoiler and this: Spoiler I was thinking for a while that there were two different kind of muzzle barrels. After a while i realized that the barrel in the second image just didnt have the M2HB mounted. duuhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 We are not used to see 12,7mm coax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 @Laviduce Can you tell where did you get info about a fuel tank to the left from driver position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, LoooSeR said: @Laviduce Can you tell where did you get info about a fuel tank to the left from driver position? The book Le Systeme Leclerc, former Leclerc tank commander Froggy, and indirect hints of there being a fuel tank. Looking at the image, that sponson fuel tank is bound by the storage box and special armor to the right of it and the CDF on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 After some feedback and taking a closer look at an image of the front hull special armor bays, I made a small change to the left sponson fuel cell and removed the little flap near the special armor inserts. It seems that this spot is taken up by the special armor insert. At 0,0045 m3 this is a small but still a somewhat important change. I will update the images accordingly. Oof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Is this a mistake in modelling of fuel tank? People on otvaga are interested, looks a bit complicated shape for a fuel tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, LoooSeR said: Is this a mistake in modelling of fuel tank? People on otvaga are interested, looks a bit complicated shape for a fuel tank. Yes, this piece gave me trouble and I had reservations of this being part of the fuel tank system because of the awkward location and shape. Taking a closer look of the image of the frunt hull special armor bay I have come to the conclusion that this colume is most likely taken up by the the special armor array. Like this update: This seems to be a far cleaner solution and simplifies the design. 4-5 liters of fuel would not be worth the hassle of putting a "mini" fuel tank in that location: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler This is a far cleaner and simpler design solution. Thank you for the feedback ! LoooSeR, Molota_477 and Lord_James 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met749 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Nice job. Can you do schemes with armor and crew locations? Interesting to see how armor modules protect the crew. And photo like thiswith crewmembers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Met749 said: Nice job. Can you do schemes with armor and crew locations? Interesting to see how armor modules protect the crew. And photo like thiswith crewmembers Here is a diagram with the crew (blue) and special armor volumes (red) highlighted. Spaced armor (i.e. mantlet, heavy side skirts, right front hull, etc.) is not highlighted: Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Lord_James, LoooSeR, N-L-M and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met749 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Thnk you very much. IMO optimizing the balance of crew positions and armor modulesis a good way to increase protection and survivebility, for example here we can place gunner and commander closer turret armor increasing their angles protection, while sights been placed backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 The HL-70 CIV, HL-60 GPS and periscopes (bright green): Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Gun elevation mechanism (blue) and turret traverse mechanism (salmon): Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler LoooSeR, Zyklon, N-L-M and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 btw maybe someone remember, from which magazine this pictures ? Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 These images come from the book "Char Leclerc: De la guerre froide aux conflits de demain" by Marc Chassillan. Wiedzmin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molota_477 Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 9:04 PM, Laviduce said: The HL-70 CIV, HL-60 GPS and periscopes (bright green): Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Gun elevation mechanism (blue) and turret traverse mechanism (salmon): Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Do you have any photo of the gun elevation mech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Wiedzmin said: The bottom right picture reveals some interesting details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Molota_477 said: Do you have any photo of the gun elevation mech? Here are some images and diagrams that show the elevation mechanishm. The main components are located underneat the main gun in front of the breech block. I tried to be as generic as possible without compromising the actual shape of the mechanism as much as possible. Froggy and DarkLabor helped quite a bit with images and some general information. Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Molota_477 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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