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*Damian on suicide watch*


The latest patent from Rheinmetall - published exactly two weeks ago  

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The Bundestag finally unlock the funds for the design studies of the MGCS.


About damn time :/


Seriously the Bundestag is a major hindrance on every single military project.

That the deputies have a right to look at what the federal government is doing military wise is normal and healthy.

But that they systematically obstruct pretty much everything based on petty regional interests at the detriment of the whole (be it their country or the EU at large)...


Anyway see you in two years (hopefully) for the technology demonstrators.

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Germany and France sign MGCS framework agreement.


According to this article two of the five phases of the project have been completed already.

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2 hours ago, Gun Ready said:

Has anybody any news on MGCS or EMBT???

It is sooo silent with this two project! Do they still exist or are they dead?



EMBT nothing, and we probably won't hear anything else about it, the market for second-hand and/or upgraded Leopard 2 is still going strong and the EMBT makes little sense from an economical standpoint.

Ultimately it was just a project to show that Nexter and KMW were playing nice together, but Rheinmetal has created big waves by saying that they intend to take control of KMW and by extension of the MGCS program (which the French side was not exactly happy with).


On the MGCS the last new I saw was mid october to say that 200 millions € would be engaged in 2021 to produce 14 Main Technological demonstrator (basically technological bricks) that are to be ready by 2025 for integration in the different platforms of the MGCS.




On parallel the preliminary design studies are still going on should run for 18 months (they started around may 2020).

The goal is to finish the demonstration phase by 2025 and to have a demonstrator for the complete system between 2024 and 2027.





Following who's doing what and within which time frame is a bit of a headache on this program (at least for me), but as I understand it right now they are focusing on developing the various technological bricks that'll be integrated in the system while the two government try to sort out a list of common requirements for the system. Then once we have a working prototype you'll have the  politicians and industrials of the two country bickering between each others to see who gets to produce what.


Don't expect to see a prototype before 2025.

At best we'll get a list of requirements, some infos on the various technological bricks and maybe some design concepts in the meantime.

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Forces Operations did IMO a very interesting article about MGCS, the French and German MOD, Leopard 2 and the user nations Sweden, the Netherlands and Norway, how to approach UK and Italy for MGCS and KNDS efforts in Poland with EMBT. 




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Some artist models on the French vision for the MGCS :


Three different versions:


  • Canon which shows a large caliber coax which seem to have en independent elevation (so back to the AMX-30)
  • C² : Command and Control which seem to have a 40mm
  • Missile: Same autocanon as a secondary than the canon version, 6 missiles ready and no RCWS




Found on a video from DGA: https://scorpion-future.fr/


Not much change from previous drawings:

On 5/29/2020 at 11:44 AM, David Moyes said:



  • First, a visual synthesizing the French vision of the program
  • Manned & autonomous “system of systems”, panoply of means of fire, collaborative combat, etc. (+ camo similar to #Scorpion)
  • To be agreed with Rheinmetall, supporter of a single system concept
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