2805662 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, DIADES said: Note that the front camera has been replaced bu a mirror! So, the strategy is cheap and nasty Or, just maybe, “we don’t need a camera for the intended purpose that this hull would fulfil”, or “we’ll integrate it when it gets to where it’s going”? Just as when Rheinmetall ships production Boxer, a lot of the situational awareness sensors are stripped off. Seems smart to have scalable alternatives & redundancies in a complex system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, DIADES said: Note that the front camera has been replaced bu a mirror! So, the strategy is cheap and nasty Considering they seem to be 2 equally appealing options, they gotta do what they can to seem more appealing than the Lynx, even if the strategy is “we are cheaper than our competitors”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleb Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, DIADES said: Note that the front camera has been replaced bu a mirror! So, the strategy is cheap and nasty The press release mentions (machine translated), "The new unit was specially designed to test and evaluate its ability to protect against landmines, improvised explosives, external bullets and shell attacks, especially underneath the vehicle." With that mentioned it's probably the reason as to why this specific prototype has a different configuration to the previous AS21s that were shipped out earlier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, 2805662 said: ships production Boxer, not sure we have apples and apples - that is not a production boxer ex Germany. They are painted DPP in Aus and have lots of gear including the SAS cameras fitted locally. they use tectonica cameras; I don't see a mirror added... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cleb said: With that mentioned it's probably the reason as to why this specific prototype has a different configuration to the previous AS21s that were shipped out earlier this year could be. This it would be odd as the mineblast test vehicle were to be first delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord_James said: “we are cheaper than our competitors” Absolutly, nothing wrong with that but. Still have to meet the spec and I can't see a mirror being much use at night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, 2805662 said: we’ll integrate it when it gets to where it’s going probably not - there are no mounting provisions or a port for the wiring. I actually liked their front camera with the groovy cast in spider! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, DIADES said: not sure we have apples and apples - that is not a production boxer ex Germany. They are painted DPP in Aus and have lots of gear including the SAS cameras fitted locally. they use tectonica cameras; I don't see a mirror added... Well aware of that. It’s literally Boxer ARN213083, the first Block 1 Boxer delivered to the Australian Army. Boxers are also fitted with wing mirrors, as appropriate. I’ve circled the mount for the mirrors in the pic below. ARN is 213084, pic taken at 2/14 QMI open day on 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, 2805662 said: mirrors i Understood and agreed - the mirror I am talking about is the one mounted near the right hand front lifting point on the REDBACk, the one angled to look down/forward instead of a camera. No BOXER has that. They have a camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, DIADES said: Understood and agreed - the mirror I am talking about is the one mounted near the right hand front lifting point on the REDBACk, the one angled to look down/forward instead of a camera. No BOXER has that. They have a camera. Don’t know about that. The mirror you refer to on the Redback looks angled to view where the front of the track comes into contact with the ground. Boxer’s camera, located midway up the glacis, can’t see that area. Boxer does have equivalent mirrors positioned to view the same area, albeit located outboard, rather than inboard. These are circled in the attached pic. Cheap & nasty? Seems pragmatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleb Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just as a comparison of the mirrors of the AS21s out there. Spoiler Hanwha test rig? Not sure what to call this one but it lacks any sort of mirrors and has the low slung front facing camera cluster which is seen on the AS21 that was fitted with a turret at the Elbit Systems facility. Elbit test rig. Has the same low slung front facing camera cluster as the Hanwha test rig but has additional mirrors though of a different design to the ones fitted to the two AS21s that were rolled out in July and the recent 3rd prototype. The AS21 in the suspension test video has the same mirror setup as the one in the Elbit Systems Turret and Hull integration video. 1st and 2nd AS21s rolled out in July. These ones have a different front facing camera cluster to the Hanwha and Elbit test rigs and new mirrors. The mirrors on these two are the same as that on the 3rd prototype. Though as is being discussed it is lacking the front facing camera cluster. Completely useless detail info... DIADES and 2805662 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, 2805662 said: mirror we have driven down a mirror rabbit hole..! My point is that the CAMERA has been deleted. No number of mirrors on any platform in any way is equivalent to a CAMERA. Clebs post is very useful. Looks like the drivers camera has evolved. Latest version is more practical as it sits back behind the front edge of the glacis. I take back my comment about mounting provision too. It looks like the latest cast housing picks up on 4 existing armour mount bolts, Cable routs still not obvious tho. And on mirrors BOXER does not look t have any mirrors fitted during driver conversion training. It does have cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 3rd AS21's LFP is without its add-on IFV armour, which probably is installed concurrent with front camera assembly. It looks more like a specialist engineer's / fitter's variant hull... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 So next question is, what are those 2 box things laying down on the starboard side of the hull? I vote they are ports for hydraulics for ..... assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 latest K-rumors model AS21 DIADES and Boagrius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Where is the rumour ? It’s an old model. SH_MM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleb Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 The display that the picture of that model is from is fairly recent. Specifically from DX Korea 2020 which happened on the 18th of November until the 20th. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 ADBC : 네이버 블로그 (naver.com) page 4, google foo translate they seem to suggest, Korea can offer bomblet protection like the Germans (Puma) and assume that Lynx will offer bomblet protection. they seem to suggest, Korea did not have the tech to have the hull blast protection required, but that only Israel's Plasan and Germany's IBD do. Obviously Plasan feeds into Redback. seemed to suggest, Redback's 42 tonne combat weight can rise to 47 tonne. they seemed to suggest that (주)삼양컴텍 (samyangct.com) is involved (an armour company supply both Korean tank, and K21 IFV armour 'glove') there is also an obvious error where they mix up Rafael for Elbit. Cleb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 20 hours ago, Serge said: It’s an old model. No, it isn't. This model has features that are actually on delivered vehicles. Correct mirrors, relocated front camera etc Cleb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Very minor changes. All of was already demonstrated. So, nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 as i understand it, the vendors are allowed (not discouraged) to display various configurations, but when it comes down to the final analysis, the competition is a single variant vs a single variant, ie, the tender score normalisation is about a single offer each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 AS21 rollout: Serge, Ainen, Cleb and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1:55 to 2:05 return tracks seems neat and taut turret is quite busy, hidden by paintjob. RWS installed, but no RWS gun yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 I reckon the co-ax & RWS guns would be GFx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleb Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Another video of the AS21. This video shows some footage of the 3rd prototype moving, along with it being loaded for shipment to Australia last month. There is also the same footage from the video posted by DTR in this one as well. Ainen, David Moyes, Kal and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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