Kal Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 16 hours ago, SH_MM said: No, they are not. You may not know what the relevant performance metrics are, if you come to this conclusion... I'm sure I don't know what the relevant performance metrics are, however using the public advertisments in my country, I get COAPS 2016 COAPS_2016.pdf (elbitsystems.com.au) FLIR •target NATO NFOV (DRI 10.5, 4.5, 2.2) km R400 R400BrochureAUS_WEB.pdf (eos-aus.com) thermal imager•target (DRI 13.7, 5.1, 4.0) km If I were to draw a conclusion, it would be that 4 years is currently a long time in sensor tech, and that COAPS2016 is different to COAPS today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Question, how friendly (or otherwise) are rubber tracks to dirt roads. I assume the rubber tracks are still too aggressive to place on bitumen roads, but do they tear up dirt roads too? (Ie australian rural dirt road, but still traversable by RWD. Ie ford falcon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Never (personally) had an issue with tracks tearing up roads. T130, Diehl 513, T150F: never damaged the roads I operated on, in Australia & overseas. Re. Dirt tracks, we’d normally parallel them if we thought we’d damage them by repeated traffic. We’d also road run Leopard AS1 (similar MLC as AS21/KF41) with no issues regarding damage. Can’t imagine composite rubber track would be any more aggressive than conventional track using rubber pads. Kal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Kal said: I assume the rubber tracks are still too aggressive to place on bitumen roads, but do they tear up dirt roads too? Military track (in peacetime) is friendly to all road surfaces simply as load is distributed so well compared to wheeled vehicles. Exceptions are when the midden intersects the ventilator and we revert to steel track and even rubber pad or band track does rip up bitumen if you pivot turn. Less damage on dirt as less traction. (less resistance to pivot) Kal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, DIADES said: Military track (in peacetime) is friendly to all road surfaces simply as load is distributed so well compared to wheeled vehicles. Exceptions are when the midden intersects the ventilator and we revert to steel track and even rubber pad or band track does rip up bitumen if you pivot turn. Less damage on dirt as less traction. (less resistance to pivot) what I'm trying to understand, would a carefully driven rubber banded IFV be capable of travel on australian/asian roads without causing damage. because excavators have a bad reputation for tearing up the roads. we have plenty of that thin cheap, spray seal (chip & seal) road The Nature of Sprayed Seals | Austroads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Kal said: excavators earthmoving equipment uses pure steel track - literally a steel edge or two contacts the road at every link.. 99% combat vehicle track (in peacetime) use a steel track with rubber pads - only the pads contact the road. Same impact as a rubber track. Tracked earthmovers have no suspension so there are high in-equalities in load distribution as well. No comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Kal said: thin cheap, spray seal yeah, don't get me started o that crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 11/10/2020 at 8:41 AM, 2805662 said: Some more, courtesy of Rheinmetall. It was seemingly missing the radar panels and EO sensors for Iron Fist. LoooSeR and Ramlaen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted February 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, SH_MM said: It was seemingly missing the radar panels and EO sensors for Iron Fist. I don’t believe that’s been integrated into the KF41 as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, 2805662 said: I don’t believe that’s been integrated into the KF41 as of yet. AFAIK according to the original schedule (before covid-related delay) by this time the Lynx shall have been under state trials here in CZ in its final configuration, i.e. including the Iron Fist. For sure the Australian version is different but the Iron Fists shall be present in both and by now already integrated at least in one. 2805662 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, 2805662 said: I don’t believe that’s been integrated into the KF41 as of yet. Iron Fist seems pretty integrated in that picture... DIADES and 2805662 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 12/20/2020 at 12:52 PM, Cleb said: The 3rd AS21 prototype has left Korea and is en route to Australia. It departed from Masan Port on the 18th. According to the press release (machine translated), "prototype 3 will be officially delivered to the Australian Army in the middle of next month along with the 1st and 2nd units sent to Australia in July, and will be used for a full-fledged test evaluation from February." (Link: https://www.news1.kr/articles/?4155699) Hide contents something that is standing out is that both as21 and kf41 seem to have the drivers position a lot further aft than CV90 or KF31.... periscopes seem to at front of AS21 drivers hatch, but halfway back of KF41 hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 14 hours ago, SH_MM said: It was seemingly missing the radar panels and EO sensors for Iron Fist. interesting detail on the port side of the gun shroud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Kal said: of KF41 hatch That is the original demonstrator. Quite different from those delivered for RMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 22 hours ago, 2805662 said: integrated into the KF41 Yes it has been. The pics with no sensors are of the blast vehicle which has many expensive bits omitted. Not fitted is not the same as not integrated. Later pics of the non-blast vehicles for RMA clearly show the sensors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Kal said: port side of the gun shroud. That is where the coax lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Kal said: KF31.. KF31 is just a cut and shut MARDER. PAy no attention to it :) Kal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, DIADES said: That is where the coax lives. isn't the coax on the starboard side? or did it swap side for Australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Left side for the coax for Lynx. DIADES and Kal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleb Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 Two full page spread advertisements of the AS21 from DTR Magazine (https://defencetechnologyreview.partica.online/defence-technology-review/dtr-feb-2021/flipbook/24/). Spoiler Stimpy75, 2805662, Serge and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 23 hours ago, Kal said: isn't the coax on the starboard side? or did it swap side for Australia? The pics you show are the show car version of LYNX, not a real config. LANCE on BLOCK 1 BOXER has RHS coax, LANCE on RMA LYNX has coax LHS Kal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 so this is about as wide and as long as the abrams? and as21 hull roof height is possibly abrams turret roof height? Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 6:30 PM, Kal said: wide and as long as the abrams Yep, these are modern IFV. Equals huge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 9/8/2020 at 10:30 PM, David Moyes said: compare to CV90 mkIV floor of as21 perhaps 300mm thick, no intrusions VS floor of CV90 looks like sits right above torsion bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krieger22 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Queensland's cabinet hosting a meeting at Rheinmetall Defence Australia’s Military Vehicle Centre of Excellence on Monday. The state government signed a MoU that day reiterating its support for RM's KF41 bid. Also the Department of Defence says that it has received the three prototypes of each contending IFV as of 13 February https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/02/19/queensland-government-reaffirms-backing-of-rheinmetall-land-400-phrase-3-bid/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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