SH_MM Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Atokara said: Glad to see it. I've been rooting for the AS21 to win and would've hated to see it only get dropped for a reason other than it's performance and capabilities. The optics were downgraded - so not much to be happy about. There is some speculation that EOS only installed its optics as a stand-in (as the hull previously was used for blast testing) and the offered variant still has the Elbit COAPS as gunner's sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Lynx also grew a coat rack, apparently. Ramlaen and Clan_Ghost_Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 9:27 PM, 2805662 said: coat rack looks like it might t be useful too - unlike the balcony on the back of Redback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 good for height scale Boagrius, Collimatrix, Lord_James and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 6/3/2021 at 6:21 PM, DIADES said: looks like it might t be useful too - unlike the balcony on the back of Redback Not a fan of either, tbh. Speaking of, here’s some more pics. Note the top cover sentry hatches open to the vertical & prevent turret traverse. The overhang to the rear. Some “well proven” suspension components. David Moyes, Ramlaen and Beer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 More pics of the Redback. Suspension unit. Note the spacer between roadwheels to accommodate the Soucy track. SA cameras. Sadly, this (blast test hull) was displayed without its coat rack fitted. Marketing bumpf: Information on the power pack: The engine for the RMA Redback. Beer, Ramlaen, Lord_James and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boagrius Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 New from Hanwha: 2805662, Lord_James, Beer and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Boagrius said: New from Hanwha: Nice Iron Fist demonstration. Boagrius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DIADES Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Great solar shield cammo - pity about the bloody great exhaust pipe sticking out of the from right corner.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, DIADES said: Great solar shield cammo - pity about the bloody great exhaust pipe sticking out of the from right corner.... Yes…already addressed: On 5/27/2021 at 11:16 AM, David Moyes said: @TokyoMorose The test rig was shown with an exhaust management add-on: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, 2805662 said: Yes…already addressed: I don't agree. That is pure show stuff. If that was an actual functional system, why not fitted to RMA vehicles? Plus, just look at it - the geometry means that there is almost certainly massive back pressure as the poor exhaust is basically pointed at a flat plate a few inches away. OK, maybe I'm wrong about that and lets pretend that the exhaust is now flowing in that thing - which is now a massive thermal signature right down the side of the vehicle. The vehicles as delivered are breathtakingly loud and I can't imagine Hanwha not fitting a solution if they had one ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, DIADES said: I don't agree. That is pure show stuff. If that was an actual functional system, why not fitted to RMA vehicles? Plus, just look at it - the geometry means that there is almost certainly massive back pressure as the poor exhaust is basically pointed at a flat plate a few inches away. OK, maybe I'm wrong about that and lets pretend that the exhaust is now flowing in that thing - which is now a massive thermal signature right down the side of the vehicle. The vehicles as delivered are breathtakingly loud and I can't imagine Hanwha not fitting a solution if they had one ready to go. Could well be correct - is the audible signature a requirement? Would be interesting to see what the respective interior noise & vibration profiles are, especially considering the UK AJAX experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Some details of the evolution of the In-arm suspension unit for the Redback. Some of the ride-height adjustments available: The evolution over time: The K21 cutaway: The Redback evolution: Serge, Kal, Beer and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 6:41 PM, 2805662 said: is the audible signature a requirement? Yes - two Requirements FPS 2250 and 3381. Static and in motion. Non-detectable at 300m and 3,000m respectively. Then there are crew/dismount habitability Requirements too. Yes - AJAX is a valuable reminder. In that case, given how old the vehicle is and that it is in service - I suspect the limits we accept now are lower than the bad old days! 2805662 and SH_MM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, DIADES said: Yes - two Requirements FPS 2250 and 3381. Static and in motion. Non-detectable at 300m and 3,000m respectively. Then there are crew/dismount habitability Requirements too. Thanks. Long since deleted my copies of the requirements. Regarding the habitability requirements, will be interesting to see whether the different suspension & track systems affect the crew & dismount experiences. DIADES 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleb Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 New video of the AS21 from Elbit: 2805662, Serge, Lord_James and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 according to DTR DTR JUNE 2021 (partica.online) marketing, Hanwha will be demonstrating 2 turrets for Land 400 phase 3 RMA. Both the Elbit MT30 and the EOS T2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Kal said: Hanwha will be demonstrating 2 turrets for Land 400 phase 3 RMA. Yeah, read that. Can't see how. RMA is well and truly underway. Pretty sure the rules do not allow late entries! More likely that there is one turret type on their RMA vehicles (Elbit for sure) and they will show the CoA the "EOS" turret on the sidelines. 2805662 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 my understanding of phase 3 land 400, is that its easy to demonstrate multiple configurations and options, but the sales pitch is to about a sole particular best option. I would consider it for australia to be demonstration of the better suited for Australia between the T2000 and the Elbit system, but could still be relevant for other countries looking for a in use, global solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 RMA is underway, but each is a contract between the commonwealth and the tenderer; it can be amended via Contract Change Proposal. Either party can initiate a CCP. Would be surprised if they weren’t into double digit CCPs by now, for the RMA alone. Regardless, RMA would likely be followed by an offer definition & improvement activity (ODIA) which may occur on either side of a down-select. Interestingly, a separate project just (this month) shortlisted Elbit as a potential prime contractor for another Land project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIADES Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 4:26 PM, 2805662 said: Contract Change True but CoA will not allow changes that to introduce any hint of unfair advantage. As each part of RMA proceeds, extent of change that could be permitted will reduce for fear of damaging prior assessments - and CoA is definitely not going back to repeat prior work. Changing the turret to a different design is massive. I simply can't see it being allowed - it could invalidate blast results for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, DIADES said: True but CoA will not allow changes that to introduce any hint of unfair advantage. As each part of RMA proceeds, extent of change that could be permitted will reduce for fear of damaging prior assessments - and CoA is definitely not going back to repeat prior work. Changing the turret to a different design is massive. I simply can't see it being allowed - it could invalidate blast results for example. All reasonable points. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. New (infantry) boss for L400 at the end of the year, new guy in AHQ (black hat), new user rep in forces command (infantry - lightfighter); all setting up for an interesting evaluation. Dragonstriker and DIADES 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Is there any current feeling/rumours/in between statements how Redback and Lynx are doing and which one is doing better? Kal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Rico said: Is there any current feeling/rumours/in between statements how Redback and Lynx are doing and which one is doing better? don't know, it kinda feels like both have potential to make it to the finish line, barring some unfortunate self sabotarge ie, Redback's exhaust, Lynx's ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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