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On 8/3/2021 at 10:31 AM, 2805662 said:

Some stills:


Cage armour. 

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cheers. 

 

I note that the Redback with cage armor seems to be sporting the mooted exhaust management system..?

 

EDIT: Kal beat me to it!

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Some footage from tests conducted in Germany (at least it seems like that) before shipping the Lynx prototype to Australia:

 

 

  

3 hours ago, 2805662 said:

Liking the Flintstones cam on the Lynx:

 

Coverage is a lot better than SolarSigmaShield on AS21. The Flintstones look is quite effective :D

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But Iron Fist Decoupled Light is vapourware anyway, according to this thread.

 

Is this just "shaping the battlefield" for L400.3 so Redback isn't a "surprise winner"?

 

only being able to fire German-made ammunition

I mean the ABC gets this wrong in the second paragraph, right after "the ABC can reveal". Unless Benalla is in Germany.

 

After a competitive tender in 2016, NIOA was awarded an MMC contract in October 2017. 

The MMC is established for long term sustainment purchases with the scope of work being:

  • the provision of Munitions to the Commonwealth
  • ...

50+ products are currently listed on the MMC including:

...

  • 30mm Ammunition

and

https://defence.nioa.com.au/projects/land-400

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On 8/11/2021 at 1:40 PM, Dragonstriker said:

But Iron Fist Decoupled Light is vapourware anyway, according to this thread.

 

Is this just "shaping the battlefield" for L400.3 so Redback isn't a "surprise winner"?

 

only being able to fire German-made ammunition

I mean the ABC gets this wrong in the second paragraph, right after "the ABC can reveal". Unless Benalla is in Germany.

 

After a competitive tender in 2016, NIOA was awarded an MMC contract in October 2017. 

The MMC is established for long term sustainment purchases with the scope of work being:

  • the provision of Munitions to the Commonwealth
  • ...

50+ products are currently listed on the MMC including:

...

  • 30mm Ammunition

and

https://defence.nioa.com.au/projects/land-400


NIOA’s Benalla plant isn’t up & running yet. “30mm” listed on the MMC doesn’t specify whether it’s 30x113mm (for Tiger or the soon-to-come AH-64E) or 30x173mm, nor does it specify the nature (service, practice etc.), nor does it specify who’s ammunition is being made. 
 

You’re putting a lot of stock in “30mm” on a website to mean “Rheinmetall’s proprietary 30x173mm ammunition for the Mk30-2/ABM is/will being/be manufactured by NIOA at Benalla via their MMC contract vehicle.”

 

 

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1 hour ago, 2805662 said:

NIOA’s Benalla plant isn’t up & running yet. “30mm” listed on the MMC doesn’t specify whether it’s 30x113mm (for Tiger or the soon-to-come AH-64E) or 30x173mm, nor does it specify the nature (service, practice etc.), nor does it specify who’s ammunition is being made. 

https://www.army-technology.com/news/newsnioa-selected-as-ammunition-supplier-for-australias-land-400-phase-ii-programme-5804837/

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2 hours ago, Willy Brandt said:


NIOA’s precinct isn’t producing anything, yet. 

 

1 hour ago, BaronTibere said:

30x173 is also a NATO standard, the only part I could see being incompatible with other manufacturers might be the datalink for the airburst rounds.


The 30mm link used only fits in the Mk30 gun & is proprietary to Rheinmetall. 

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Not yet. NIOA is likely to be the only producer of any 30x173mm for both Mk44 & Mk30-2. 
 

The local ammunition production angle is a little off the mark, imo - the real point is interoperability.
 

The ADF routinely operates alongside US but the Boxer’s gun can’t use in-service US 30mm ammunition. Local production is important, as is interoperability. For a news article, “not made here” is an easier sell.
 

Flashbacks to Baghdad 2003 when Australian ASLAV crews were let down by the ADF logistic system & had source 25mm ammunition for their M242 guns from the US Army’s 3rd Infantry Division. 

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On 8/12/2021 at 8:44 PM, BaronTibere said:

30x173 is also a NATO standard, the only part I could see being incompatible with other manufacturers might be the datalink for the airburst rounds.

 

The ammo belt is specific for the Rheinmetall gun not the ammo itself. The issue is that you can't feed the MK30-2 from MK44 ammo belts. 

 

23 hours ago, 2805662 said:

The 30mm link used only fits in the Mk30 gun & is proprietary to Rheinmetall. 

 

This. 

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