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3 hours ago, SH_MM said:



No sensor units (optical, laser warner and radars) at the rear portion of the turret - or does the Challenger 2 LEP proposal from BAE Systems use only three sensor units (with the backwards facing one being located at the center of the turret)?





Better than what it seems. 

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2 hours ago, David Moyes said:

Turret uses regenerative braking. Friction caused by the turret slowing down gets converted into electricity that then recharges a battery.  Formula 1 cars use something similar - KERS/ERS. 

Errr... Welcome in the 1990s... Congrats!
More seriously is this a full switch from hydraulic to electric or a just a handiwork to ease the power management?


The ideal situation would be to remove all the hydraulic system to replace it with batteries accumulators and the double set of electric motor + gearbox (traverse & elevation).

But who knows their limitations in space & budget...

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Citing progress, UK officials commit to Warrior upgrade

21st September 2018 - 15:30 GMT | by Grant Turnbull in Millbrook


Top industry and UK government officials used this year’s DVD 2018 event to reaffirm their commitment to the British Army’s flagship Warrior Capability Sustainment Programme (WCSP), despite unanswered questions still hanging over the project.

Speaking at the British Army event in Millbrook, the UK’s minister for defence ...



Source: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/citing-progress-uk-officials-commit-warrior-upgrad/


On 9/17/2018 at 3:27 PM, Mighty_Zuk said:

Okay I assume the 2nd module is just located on the rear-left part of the turret, as it typical for some APS systems as well, for full coverage through minimal sensors. But we don't know if that is required either.  


The requirements include upgrades to situational awareness, but based on what I've read, it isn't specified how (aside of night vision for the driver and commander based on current technology).


On 9/17/2018 at 3:27 PM, Mighty_Zuk said:

Both are offering very good capabilities that are not required, and that doesn't mean the UK MoD will dismiss them (although their intellectual capacity at making smart procurement decisions is known to be lacking), so you cannot just dismiss them either like you dismissed the addition of an APS. 


The gun has a very low chance of being replaced IMO, and if it would go ahead at a later point, it would probably be part of a separate project because a gun's replacement actually requires the two competitors - BAE and Rheinmetall, to cooperate.  

Similarly, the UK MoD is seeking an upgrade to the automotive components through a separate project as well.


I beg to differ. The UK military is currently running its own program for testing and possibly adopting active protection systems on the Challenger 2 MBT and various other vehicles. On the other hand, there is no program for a lethality upgrade (beyond the FCS changes required for the Challenger 2 LEP), despite army officials having specifically asked for a 120 mm smoothbore gun to counter the T-14 Armata and other Russian MBTs.

The gun replacement is simply a question of money - if it is cheap and can be included in the LEP without making cuts at other places, then there is no need to start a separate program. Rheinmetall has chosen to contract Curtiss-Wright for providing gun and turret drives for the Challenger 2 (upgrading these is required for the LEP as part of the removal of obsolence), which are desgined to (also) work with the 120 mm gun from Rheinmetall.


There is no need for BAE Systems to be involved in the gun upgrade with Rheinmetall having access to two Challenger 2 tanks. I think they might play it safe and keep the L30 gun on one demonstrator, while outfitting the other with a 120 mm L55(A1) gun.



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