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37 minutes ago, Ramlaen said:

 

You say this as though Trump supporters claim all of conservatism like your conflation of 'the left' and liberalism.

 

Pretty sure in my post I said that most leftists hold liberals in disdain in large part.  Sort of like how many mainstream conservatives are regarded as RINOS by a lot of the far right.  

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Here's the thing, most conservatives I know are ardent anti-racists and have been their whole life. Judging others as individuals is a core part of their morality since they were young, imparted to th

Finally,  a Trump proposal I can support.

I am saying that.  If the Democrats want to remain competitive, they need to dig out decades worth of Chicago machine apparatchiks and Clinton lackeys and send them to the salt mines.  If the Republic

55 minutes ago, Ulric said:

Remember, you are a good person, so you are always right. Anyone who disagrees with you is clearly a bad person, because you are a good person.

 

This is why you must always take a contrarian position to bad people. If you agree with a bad person, then you will be wrong, and you will become a bad person yourself. Orange man is bad, and you don't want to be bad, right?

 

Your argument is completely vapid.  I think Trump is dangerously incompetent and a person of low character.  So of course I am going to cast a critical eye at everything he does.  It has nothing to do with whether or not I regard myself as a "good" person or not.  Nor have I referred to anyone here as a "bad" person.  

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13 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Pretty sure in my post I said that most leftists hold liberals in disdain in large part.  Sort of like how many mainstream conservatives are regarded as RINOS by a lot of the far right.  

 

Now you get to explain why you attempted to twist my comment about 'the left' wanting Comey gone into accusing the FBI of being a bastion of liberalism.

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2 hours ago, Ulric said:

Hey, any chance to piss off our only ally in the region is an opportunity worth taking, right? Even if you disagree with it? Because fuck Israel, amiright? Gotta get in on that sweet Lefty antisemitism.

 

Yes, any criticism of Israel, no matter how mild, is proof of Antisemitism.  

 

And actually, you are wrong. We have two allies in the region, Israel and Saudi Arabia.  My comments in these forums regarding the Saudis have been far harsher than anything I have said about Israel.  Yet no one rushed to call me a racist about it.  Just goes to show, everyone is a snowflake about something.

 

 

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I love how you only respond to my obviously fecetious troll comments, and ignore the more serious points that I try to make. This is leads me to make more of them, because I think it's the only thing you are willing to respond to.

 

No one criticizes your comments about the Saudis because the Saudis are well shit and everybody knows it. The only place that I have seen widely accepted anti Israel sentiment is on the left. Every country does shitty things, but of all the shitty places in the Middle East, the left seems to only complain about the least shitty place there, Israel. And how loudly they complain about it, too.

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1 hour ago, LoooSeR said:

Umm... does this make me antisemite? Cause i said few bad things about IDF and Israeli AirForces.

 

 

No, that's just how lefties deflect from the truth, the truth being, there are many mainstream Democrats who have made very anti-semitic statements.  They just don't give a shit when one of their guys does bad stuff. Even Obama was pals with Lewis(Radical leftist, race pimp) Farikan!  

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Dear Mr President:

I have been privileged to serve as our country's 26th Secretary of Defense which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our citizens and our ideals.

I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy: putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department's business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong US global influence.

One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.

Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February 28, 2019, a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the Department's interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include Congressional posture hearings and the NATO Defense Ministerial meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September in order to ensure stability within the Department.

I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of the 2.15 million Service Members and 732,079 civilians receive undistracted attention of the Department at all times so that they can fulfill their critical, round-the-clock mission to protect the American people.

I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform.

James N Mattis

 

Yeesh, he really didn't pull any punches

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13 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Your argument is completely vapid.  I think Trump is dangerously incompetent and a person of low character.  So of course I am going to cast a critical eye at everything he does.  It has nothing to do with whether or not I regard myself as a "good" person or not.  Nor have I referred to anyone here as a "bad" person.  

   Isn't this a description of majority of politicians and previous presidents?

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10 hours ago, Jeeps_Guns_Tanks said:

 

 

No, that's just how lefties deflect from the truth, the truth being, there are many mainstream Democrats who have made very anti-semitic statements.  They just don't give a shit when one of their guys does bad stuff. Even Obama was pals with Lewis(Radical leftist, race pimp) Farikan!  

 

And yet Democrats get 3/4s of the Jewish vote in the US.  Funny that.  

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7 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

   Isn't this a description of majority of politicians and previous presidents?

 

No, I am not that cynical about American politics, unlike many people here.  Of the presidents of my lifetime (born in 1972), I would rank them as such:

 

Very good character, somewhat competent: Carter, Ford

 

Very competent, but of low character: Nixon, Clinton

 

Compentent, reasonably good character: Reagan, Bush I, Obama

 

Reasonably good character, questionable competence:  Bush 2

 

Poor characer, poor competence: Trump

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12 hours ago, Ulric said:

I love how you only respond to my obviously fecetious troll comments, and ignore the more serious points that I try to make. This is leads me to make more of them, because I think it's the only thing you are willing to respond to.

 

Which serious points?  In the past couple pages, you claimed that the migrant caravan was a left wing plot.  As I see it, that's some sort of conspiracy theory fantasy.  Your other recentpoint was something about how I am supposedly incapable of operating in anything other than strict binary opposites, sort of like Bizarro from Superman comics.  Good, bad, good, bad, Bizarro so confused....

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He thinks Obama was more competent than Trump, when the country is doing much better under Trump than Obama, his objectivity problem is showing again. 

 

Hell, at this point we could just replace Walt with a CNN feed and get the same "valued opinions". 

8 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

 

Well that's all we fucking needed to know lol

 

@Collimatrix
 

I think you need to re-evaluate your positions on politicians a bit, @Walter_Sobchak.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

No, I am not that cynical about American politics, unlike many people here.  Of the presidents of my lifetime (born in 1972), I would rank them as such:

 

Very good character, somewhat competent: Carter, Ford

 

Very competent, but of low character: Nixon, Clinton

 

Compentent, reasonably good character: Reagan, Bush I, Obama

 

Reasonably good character, questionable competence:  Bush 2

 

Poor characer, poor competence: Trump

 

   Well, you guys had option between Al-Clintoni (poor characer, poor competence) and a buffoon who at least remembered to put "America" somewhere in his slogans.

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4 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

 

Well that's all we fucking needed to know lol

 

@Collimatrix
 

I think you need to re-evaluate your positions on politicians a bit, @Walter_Sobchak.

 

How does this contradict my rating of "somewhat" competent?  Carter made some bad calls, hence the "somewhat."  Anyhow, you can cherry pick individual instances of bad foriegn policy decisions of every president.  

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4 hours ago, Jeeps_Guns_Tanks said:

He thinks Obama was more competent than Trump, when the country is doing much better under Trump than Obama, his objectivity problem is showing again. 

 

Hell, at this point we could just replace Walt with a CNN feed and get the same "valued opinions". 

 

 

Jeeps, your definition of "Objectivity" seems to be based on how much someone agrees with you.

 

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8 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Jeeps, your definition of "Objectivity" seems to be based on how much someone agrees with you.

 

Of course you think that lol. No its based on you buying into every anti Trump thing that comes along just like cnn no mater how stupid.

 

Oh and that post you basically said you will not be objective on Trump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

Which serious points?  In the past couple pages, you claimed that the migrant caravan was a left wing plot.  As I see it, that's some sort of conspiracy theory fantasy.  Your other recentpoint was something about how I am supposedly incapable of operating in anything other than strict binary opposites, sort of like Bizarro from Superman comics.  Good, bad, good, bad, Bizarro so confused....

 

Yes, as you see it, because confirmation bias totally isn't a thing. From an Investors Business Daily article

 

'Vice President Pence said that Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernandez told him that the caravan had been "organized by leftist organizations and financed by Venezuela."'

 

we also know that the caravan has received substantial assistance from the UN under human rights programs. All that information from a single layer Google search. I didn't even bother chasing down connections between named organisations because I'm at work right now. So, there you go, 2 minutes of Google gives us a hint, unless you think that Pence and Hernandez are both lying. That seems unlikely, though, because we know there are plenty of lefty charitable organization devoted to refugees and immigration.

 

So, you don't see it because you don't want to see it.

 

I might have incorrectly assumed that you could tell the difference between satire and reality, but the whole reason why I started on this subject is because you unironically parroted a point that was made by a parody outlet to be absurdist satire.

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