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   Armenia unveils new death toll in Nagorno-Karabakh

   Forensic experts have identified the remains of 3,360 Armenian soldiers who died in the Karabakh conflict, the Armenian Ministry of Health reported.

 

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Short summary of that analysis.      Azerbaijan army conducting attack of Nagorniy Karabakh from 2 directions - Southern and Northern. Main attack is happening against city of Martakert (Nor

Massive fighting started along most of the Nagorno Karabakh border. The situation looks very serious as both Nagorno Karabakh and Armenia declared martial law and started general mobilisation.   

3rd pic show wheel that Mi-8s doesn't have. According to what i saw, those photos are from 2013, Russian AN-2 crash. That wheel looks like is a rear wheel of AN-2.

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57 minutes ago, barbaria said:

Thought I would post the link to Oryx's blog: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

 

Total loss ratio Armenia vs Azerbaijan according to visually confirmed sources: 8,5-1

 

A decisive victory for Azerbaijan.

 

This war has shown the importance of air power, both defensively and offensively.

 

Counting equipment losses according to the visual evidence is better than nothing but it is also very missleading.

 

There is number of reasons

- the officially admitted manpower losses are nearly same for both sides (1,1-1)

- majority of visually confirmed losses come from UAV footage, i.e. only one element operating on the battlefield, we know from experience that far majority of losses come from artillery and MLRS while such strikes are usually not caught on the camera

- the Azeri occupy most of the battlefield, naturally they tend to show only evidence of enemy equipment destroyed

- thanks to that they are in possession of everything what was not evacuated from the captured territory by Armenia but in the same time they could and for sure did evacuate majority of their own lost equipment bar some total losses

- most of the evacuated equipment for sure never made it on the internet 

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7 hours ago, Beer said:

- the officially admitted manpower losses are nearly same for both sides (1,1-1)

 

Losses in manpower are not documented in Oryx's count. Solely material losses. The nature for the skewed losses in material is caused by a number of factors of which IMO are: Whether one is attacking vs defending, the terrain, the amount of defensive positions, artillery support, logistical support and above all the technological disparity between the two sides.

 

7 hours ago, Beer said:

majority of visually confirmed losses come from UAV footage, i.e. only one element operating on the battlefield, we know from experience that far majority of losses come from artillery and MLRS while such strikes are usually not caught on the camera

This conflict was quite different to that of Ukraine or any conventional mechanized clash between (near)peers. The Azeri's had overwhelming technological superiority in the form of tactical UCAV's, kamikaze drones and NLOS guided weapons. These weapons gave the Azeri's the ability to destroy and damage equipment behind the front line accurately and effectively, something which the Armenians completely lacked. Ergo, even though arty was used by both sides, the Azeri's had a vastly greater capability and tools (UCAV's, drones NLOS weapons) to deal damage to the enemy than vice versa. It wasn't as if the Armenians had the same capabilities but they somehow forgot to record their strikes. 

7 hours ago, Beer said:

- the Azeri occupy most of the battlefield, naturally they tend to show only evidence of enemy equipment destroyed

- thanks to that they are in possession of everything what was not evacuated from the captured territory by Armenia but in the same time they could and for sure did evacuate majority of their own lost equipment bar some total losses

- most of the evacuated equipment for sure never made it on the internet 

I can't give you numbers or sources or anything but what ever losses where sustained on the Azeri side have been well documented either during the war or after with Azeri service members often showcasing their own destroyed equipment and sometimes with commentary as how the equipment was lost. I have seen no indications that the Azeri material losses where somehow massively covered up.

 

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