Priory_of_Sion Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Here are some interesting pages from the report. Probably add more later. Summary Basic Breakdown of Causes of Tank Losses Average Range of Gunfire/Panzerfausts Placement of Gunfire Hits Caliber of Enemy Gunfire(most 8.8 cm are actually misidentified 7.5 cm, which is noted later in the report) Mine/Tank Exchange Rate Crew Casualties by Position Sampling of Tank Losses Causes of Vehicles Destroyed v. Vehicle Disabled Distribution of Gunfire Hits(Aspect) LostCosmonaut, Jeeps_Guns_Tanks and LoooSeR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 It would be interesting to compare this to the Soviet data I have. Until I put up a proper article, have some scraps of info: T-70s: Front hull: 8.5% Turret front: 5.6% Total front: 14.1% Hull side: 43.8% Turret side: 18.4% Total side: 62.2% Hull rear: 12% Turret rear: 0.5% Total rear: 12.5% Hull roof: 2.4% Turret roof: 5.0% Total roof: 7.4% About the same side shots, but a lot more rear and top shots. The numbers don't add up to 100% since there are other hits to weird parts of the tank I didn't take into account. T-34: Hull front: 22.65% Turret front: 4.86% Total front: 27.51% Hull side: 50.5% Turret side: 8.61% Total side: 59.11% Hull rear: 7.52% Turret rear: 2.48% Total rear: 10% Hull roof: 0.19% Turret roof: 1.11% Total roof: 1.3% Again, less hits in the front, a little more to the rear, about the same side. AT artillery calibers (knocked out by) 88: 35.2% 75: 46.2% 50: 12.8% 37: 5.0% Mines: 0.8% Looks like the Western Front had a hell of a lot more heavy guns. Orel-Kursk Operation (tank types not given) Turret: 38% Hull front: 26% Hull sides: 34% Rear: 2% Rechitskaya Operation (tank types not given) Turret: 32% Front: 23% Sides: 41% Rear: 4% The amount of rear shots has fallen to about Western European levels, but the weirdness with counting turret shots as a separate category doesn't allow for a full comparison. Rogachevskaya operation: 20% of hits are 105 mm HEAT! So much for all the big guns being West. T-34, summer 1944: Turret front: 15% Front hull: 16.2% Total front: 31.2% Turret sides: 23% Sides: 35.3% Total sides: 58.3% Turret rear: 8% Hull rear: 2.5% Total rear: 10.5% Again, really close to American numbers, but the rear of the turret gets hit a hell of a lot. I guess the Soviets are more inclined to rotate their turret actively in combat? LoooSeR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 He is an American study on hits on German vehicles. "It is evident from this study that either the American 75-mm gun or the 76-mm gun is capable of destroying any German tank." Jeeps_Guns_Tanks and LoooSeR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Can I get a scan of that last part? It will be a wonderful thing to show wehraboos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'll get that scan on Sunday. I don't have access to the doc until then. I'm a little surprised that 29% of hits to the front hull of Panthers and Tigers penetrated. Blows a hole in the "invincible from the front" argument even though most hits came from the sides anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Sweet. What's the citation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sweet. What's the citation? It is Appendix E, Annex 7 to report ORO-T-117(title the same as the title of this thread). Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sweet, thanks. Also clever Americans, shooting the LFP! Obviously the Germans don't have clownskins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeps_Guns_Tanks Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Epic stuff, can I put these images in my Sherman thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Epic stuff, can I put these images in my Sherman thread? Yes, please do. Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Fight Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'll get that scan on Sunday. I don't have access to the doc until then. I'm a little surprised that 29% of hits to the front hull of Panthers and Tigers penetrated. Blows a hole in the "invincible from the front" argument even though most hits came from the sides anyway. Was this purely with American guns, or does it include British? It's impressive either way, but even moreso if the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted April 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Was this purely with American guns, or does it include British? It's impressive either way, but even moreso if the former. That was a study done by 3rd Army and never refers to the British, so I can only assume that it is just American guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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