Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/06/25/a-black-off-duty-cop-tried-to-help-stop-a-crime-another-officer-shot-him/?utm_term=.0ed2dae712f6 Black off duty cop shot by white cop when attempting to help during and incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 I saw that on my FB feed. The staff BBQ is gonna be awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Man dragging dead raccoon shot after altercation with passing motorist. http://mynorthwest.com/676182/man-dragging-dead-raccoon-shot-after-argument/ One would think there were easier ways to get crab bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 WELL DONE MORON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeps_Guns_Tanks Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 That's not as bad the recent one were some idiot cop shot the women his partner, who was between them the two cops int he car, the women outside talking to the driver, and the passenger cop shoots a Australian Yoga instructor in her face, and killed her. So far the justification has been, he heard a load bang outside the car and that scared him. The "Cop" who did it won't make a statement, but was one of the first immigrants from Somalia to get on the force. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jeeps_Guns_Tanks said: That's not as bad the recent one were some idiot cop shot the women his partner, who was between them the two cops int he car, the women outside talking to the driver, and the passenger cop shoots a Australian Yoga instructor in her face, and killed her. So far the justification has been, he heard a load bang outside the car and that scared him. The "Cop" who did it won't make a statement, but was one of the first immigrants from Somalia to get on the force. IT'S WEIRD HOW I HADN'T HEARD THAT YET? ISN'T THAT WEIRD? WHAT A COMPLETELY INEXPLICABLE AND TOTALLY RANDOM COINCIDENCE Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 And then shit like this give BLM fuel for it's fire. FFS TPS... http://nationalpost.com/news/toronto/egregious-police-cover-up-alleged-in-pipe-attack-on-teen-that-left-him-blind-in-one-eye/wcm/bb0f3d92-3edd-4e49-bb88-361cbdc9ca9c And we will add this one to the mix as well. FFS. https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/07/22/charges-stayed-against-toronto-man-after-cruel-and-unusual-treatment-by-officer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 8:15 AM, Belesarius said: And then shit like this give BLM fuel for it's fire. FFS TPS... http://nationalpost.com/news/toronto/egregious-police-cover-up-alleged-in-pipe-attack-on-teen-that-left-him-blind-in-one-eye/wcm/bb0f3d92-3edd-4e49-bb88-361cbdc9ca9c And we will add this one to the mix as well. FFS. https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/07/22/charges-stayed-against-toronto-man-after-cruel-and-unusual-treatment-by-officer.html The first one looks pretty damned fishy, I'll give you that. The second one? I want more background before I judge. Something feels off about the article. They aren't telling us everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/09/05/york-region-cops-cover-up-assault-of-robbery-suspect-judge-finds.html GTA cops still trying to come across as trustworthy individuals. FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Four members of the Polish death metal "Decapitated" arrested for kidnapping. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/death-metal-band-decapitated-arrested-on-kidnapping-charges-w502139 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplesauceBandit Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 This was honestly a tl;dr for me, still need to get around to reading it all, but looks like it could be worth a read https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/local/q-a-police-chief-ken-burton-talks-about-racial-profiling/article_9538af60-9990-11e7-98bf-5bdbb91f3a3d.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Sgt.Squarehead, @Legiondude, @Xoon, probably not what you had in mind, but it's thinking along the same lines: http://www.breachbangclear.com/should-cops-make-limb-shots-breach-bang-clear/ Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 On the whole I think I'd still prefer to see Tasers (or other less potentially lethal alternatives) being used in these situations, but anything would be an improvement over the current (apparent) carnage (as it is portrayed to me by various media). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: On the whole I think I'd still prefer to see Tasers (or other less potentially lethal alternatives) being used in these situations, but anything would be an improvement over the current (apparent) carnage (as it is portrayed to me by various media). I tagged you guys mostly for his perspective. You can see how Chris is fighting the serious institutional inertia, and culture of self-preservation I was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Also, Chris Hernandez is the real deal, and if you want insights on US law enforcement, I would definitely check out his blog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Cops used to engage in non-lethal takedowns of suspects. It was called using a nightstick/baton/billyclub. And it worked. After the Rodney King incident, police were forced to adopt other methods. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sturgeon Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Donward said: Cops used to engage in non-lethal takedowns of suspects. It was called using a nightstick/baton/billyclub. And it worked. After the Rodney King incident, police were forced to adopt other methods. Yeah, that's a good point. The dysfunction really goes three ways: The people in the communities the police serve, the police organizations themselves, and external forces who manipulate police policies to get ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 @Sgt.Squarehead, British police still carry and use batons, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Yup.....They use extending batons as a rule these days. Wiki has a decent listing of current gear and the legal provisions that relate to it, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_uniforms_and_equipment_in_the_United_Kingdom Quote Batons are offensive weapons; the following are offences under the Criminal Justice Act 1988: manufacturing, selling or hiring, offering for sale or hire, exposing having in your possession for the purpose of sale or hire, lending, giving to any other person, or importing an offensive weapon.[25] The list of weapons regarded as offensive for the purposes of the act includes "straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons (sometimes known as a batons)" in the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment) Order 2004 and "telescopic truncheons" in the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988. The restrictions on the activities listed above do not apply "for the purposes of functions carried out on behalf of the Crown",[26] which includes water bailiffs, immigration officers and police constables. In addition, police constables have "lawful authority" to possess batons.[22] PS - The article you linked to earlier made mention of 'Beanbag' ammunition for shotguns.....It's my recollection that patrol cars usually carry a shotgun (and possibly an AR too these days?), surely the shotgun could be loaded with non-lethal ammunition as a matter of course? A critical issue is that (IMHO) law enforcement officers should never patrol on their own, they should always operate in pairs, the rest seems pretty bloody obvious to me. Donward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 One final thought.....Can I suggest that the very act of drawing handguns automatically increases the risk in an already risky situation, simply by virtue of placing the officer under stress. One has a lot more conversational options while casually cradling a shotgun than one does while staring down the sights of a pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: One final thought.....Can I suggest that the very act of drawing handguns automatically increases the risk in an already risky situation, simply by virtue of placing the officer under stress. One has a lot more conversational options while casually cradling a shotgun than one does while staring down the sights of a pistol. I agree with this, but prevailing wisdom in the US LEO community is to draw early as a defense against unexpected attacks. But I think in many, many cases it makes already bad situations worse. Guns are not shields, unfortunately. Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 31 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Guns are not shields, unfortunately. That should be a mandatory lesson IMHO. It's my experience from watching videos where 'things go wrong' that you can sense the impending 'issue' long before it occurs, the officers often appear to enter the scene like a bull in a china shop.....Bringing extra aggression into a potentially violent situation never helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeps_Guns_Tanks Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 On 9/24/2017 at 3:46 PM, Sturgeon said: @Sgt.Squarehead, @Legiondude, @Xoon, probably not what you had in mind, but it's thinking along the same lines: http://www.breachbangclear.com/should-cops-make-limb-shots-breach-bang-clear/ Haven't read yet, but most cops would need much much more training to be able to hit limbs, since they have so much trouble hitting at all. When a firearm is warranted, that means deadly force is being used, and if we can train them to hit limbs, we could train them to hit heads, and that would be the better option. Edit: Having read it, I now agree with him, and it was a good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Oh bitter irony: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-41415223 TBH if the dumbass really was waving a handgun around on a motorway he pretty much signed his own death warrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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