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The new Tu-160 began flight tests

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   According to our blog information, in the last days of 2017 in Kazan made the first flight completed by construction at the Kazan Aviation Plant named after PS. Gorbunov PJSC "Tupolev" for VCS of Russia strategic bomber Tu-160 with serial number 08-04 (own name "Peter Deinekin"). The plane was completed from the Soviet reserve and rolled out on November 16, 2017.

   

   On January 24, 2018, the TASS agency confirmed the start of the flight tests of the Tu-160 aircraft with serial number 08-04, although with reference to the "source in the Russian defense industry complex" claiming that the aircraft "took off for the first time last week."

   Also, the TASS said that the new aircraft is not an experimental model of the modernized version of the bomber. "Only a small modernization was carried out on the plane, the glider and engines remained the same. Fully digitized documentation for the new missile carrier will be released not earlier than the middle of this year, and without it, the construction of the Tu-160M is impossible."


   On the bmpd side, we point out that the new Tu-160 with serial number 08-04 became the 35th unit of the Tu-160 (including flight prototypes), built in 1981.

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   It is reported that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia and PJSC "Tupolev" signed a contract for the delivery of the first ten modernized strategic bombers Tu-160M2 of new construction. The cost of the contract is, according to known data, 160 billion rubles, the contract is calculated until 2027. The signing ceremony took place at the Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunova PJSC "Tupolev" in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The document was signed by Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and the head of United Aircraft Corporation Yury Slyusar.

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   Demonstration flight of the modernized strategic bomber Tu-160 with serial number 08-04 (named "Petr Deinekin") at the aerodrome of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after P.S. Gorbunov PJSC "Tupolev". Kazan, January 25, 2013 (c) PJSC "Tupolev"

 

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   As the Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yuri Borisov stated earlier, the Ministry of Defense plans to purchase 50 Tu-160M2 aircraft by 2035. Thus, the total cost of the program, taking into account R & D and the cost of renewal of production capacity (this is 37 billion rubles), could amount to more than 900 billion rubles. The beginning of deliveries of serial Tu-160M2 aircraft of the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) is scheduled for 2023.

   Russian President Vladimir Putin was also present in Kazan at the demonstration flight of the new modernized strategic missile carrier Tu-160, completed by construction at the KAZ in 2017 from the Soviet reserve. As already reported, this board with serial number 08-04 (its own name "Peter Deinekin") made the first flight in late December 2017.

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"Tupolev" announced the beginning of construction of the first "strategist" Tu-160M2

 

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   Tupolev began construction of the first strategic missile carrier Tu-160M2, the company's CEO Alexander Konyukhov told Interfax.

"The first plane in the shape of the Tu-160M2 is already being built," said Konyukhov.

   He explained that "Tu-160M2 - this is a fresh glider, a completely new aircraft, and Tu-160M is the modernization of aircraft in the service."

   According to the head of Tupolev, flight tests of the newest modification of the strategic missile carrier Tu-160M2 will be carried out in parallel with the tests of the Tu-160M.

   "Tu-160M will be released for flight tests in 2019, and will complete them in 2021," said Konyukhov.

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"In parallel, we are developing new airborne weapons, and we can not compare the Tu-160 with Kh-55, Kh-550, even Kh-101 missiles with the aircraft we hope to get in production by the 2030s with new airborne weapons, which will have completely different ranges, " Borisov emphasized.

 

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   The Russian Ministry of Defense has published video footage of the first flight of the upgraded strategic bomber Tu-160M.

 

   During the first flight, which was held in normal mode, the necessary checks of updated systems and equipment were performed. The flight lasted 34 minutes and performed at an altitude of up to 1,500 m.

 

   As a result of the modernization of the strategic missile carrier bomber Tu-160 carried out at the Kazan Aircraft Plant, the overall efficiency of the aviation complex has increased.

   The plane was piloted by the crew under the supervision of the test pilot of the Kazan Aviation Plant - Anri Naskidyanets.

 

   Under the current contract, the transfer to the troops of the upgraded strategic Tu-160M bombers will begin in 2021 with a further annual increase in the number of deliveries.

 

 

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11 hours ago, mr.T said:

There is really no point in making more of these , rather invest in subsonic but stealthy PAK DA

 

IMHO it's exactly opposite. For what is subsonic stealth bomber better? Does anyone really wants to send a super precious strategic bomber to penetrate an air defence of a state equipped better than Zimbabwe in next thirty years? IMHO in the near future stealth strike aircraft makes sense if it's a squadron of UAVs, not a big-ass super expensive bomber. For bombing Zimbabwe you don't need strategic bombers anyway. Those are for dealing with well equipped and well prepared peer or near-peer enemies. 

 

IMHO it's better to use the strategic bomber as a fast long-range missile platform which can strike from basically anywhere over the oceans or arctic and which can not be realistically intercepted if the mission is properly planned because it can launch its payload thousand of kilometers away from the target. Even if it is detected by OVH radar it will be still so far away that nothing can reach it in time (plus I think that US doesn't have OTH radar coverage over Canada, Greenland and arctic).  

 

 

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Russia unlike US is not a global intervention force so has much different requirements , Tu-160 speed is of little use against any AD its also very expensive and complex for given payload compared to subsonic airplane. Missiler stays out of harms way by having stand off weapons not by being fast. At longer stand of ranges even less than perfectly stealthy plane can remain hidden whole mission while Tu 160 is on radars 400km-600km away. Only mission that might benefit from speed is the anti shipping role of Tu-22 but even that might in future better be handled with drones.

 

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2 hours ago, mr.T said:

Russia unlike US is not a global intervention force so has much different requirements , Tu-160 speed is of little use against any AD its also very expensive and complex for given payload compared to subsonic airplane. Missiler stays out of harms way by having stand off weapons not by being fast. At longer stand of ranges even less than perfectly stealthy plane can remain hidden whole mission while Tu 160 is on radars 400km-600km away. Only mission that might benefit from speed is the anti shipping role of Tu-22 but even that might in future better be handled with drones.

 

 

You don't seem to get the point. Tu-160 carries big missiles with minimum range of 2500 km. The nuclear ones have range of 4500 km. It doesn't need to be stealthy at all. Its speed makes a lot of sense because if it is caught on OTH early warning radar at around 2000-3000 km from the US coast it can launch the salvo (12x X-101/102 really isn't a small payload), set the afterburner and disappear before anything can reach it. 

 

Let's say that Russia has a dozen of B-2 today. Can they launch an attack on let's say the industrial areas around the Great lakes tomorrow and hope for the planes to return back? I doubt so. Even with JASSM-ER they would need to get over populated parts of Canada and they would need to refuel over Canada. B-2 might be stealthy but the tanker definitely isn't so the AD would be allerted and since B-2 is slow USAF would probably be able to find them and hunt them. Can Tu-160 do that? Probably can because it can launch the misiles somewhere over Hudson straight or Southampton island. Also dozen of them can carry 144 such missiles. 

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I never suggested a bomb armed bomber but a missile armed one as well.

 

PAK-DA will be subsonic missiler as well ,So lets say its something like B2 with same cruise missile payload as Tu-160  , stand off range remains the same ,but adding stealth means it could remain undetected much closes to AD zones.

Subsonic flying wing is way more aerodynamically efficient than Tu-160 so having greater range than Tu-160 would be no problem, although i expect the plane to be actually much smaller and lighter than B2 or Tu-160 , with 4 non afterburning AL-41 engines 

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7 minutes ago, mr.T said:

I never suggested a bomb armed bomber but a missile armed one as well.

 

PAK-DA will be subsonic missiler as well ,So lets say its something like B2 with same cruise missile payload as Tu-160  , stand off range remains the same ,but adding stealth means it could remain undetected much closes to AD zones.

Subsonic flying wing is way more aerodynamically efficient than Tu-160 so having greater range than Tu-160 would be no problem, although i expect the plane to be actually much smaller and lighter than B2 or Tu-160 , with 4 non afterburning AL-41 engines 

 

Well, that means a gigantic development cost and roughly twenty years of development for a platform which brings no game changing advantage over the existing design because its main and only real advantage (being stealthy) is of no use when it carries missiles which can be fired from 2-5 tkm away. I don't get why that is a better idea, sorry. The Tu-160 is here today, it can do the job and it can be built today, not in ten or twenty years. 

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   The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has filed a lawsuit with the Moscow Arbitration Court to recover 5.5 billion rubles from PJSC Tupolev for violating the deadline for work under the state contract of December 26, 2016, follows from the report of Tupolev for the fourth quarter of 2020.

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   Details on the website of the Moscow Arbitration Court have not been published. According to the document, the developer is charged with a violation of the deadlines for the implementation of the component part of the development work under the code "70M 506". Probably, here we are talking about pairing a new missile (izdelie 506) and modernized strategic missile carrier-bomber Tu-160M (izdelie 70M).

 

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