Tied Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 WT economy is ass. Just plain ass. You've spent too much time reading the forums and not enough time watching the youtube montages exhibit A CrashbotUS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Also, Jeeps, how's the Revalise? I am disappointed it uses a VVSS hull. It should be HVSS, shouldn't it? Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 You've spent too much time reading the forums and not enough time watching the youtube montages exhibit A While pretty, that has nothing to do with the game's economy being a crusty poopsmear in a long unwashed pair of undershorts worn by an incontinent vagrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 While pretty, that has nothing to do with the game's economy being a crusty poopsmear in a long unwashed pair of undershorts worn by an incontinent vagrant. Thats the thing man, it just hasnt effected me Sure, if i played planes more, or gave a shit about earning money more i would probably notice it But like the "poor optics" on the Russian tanks i drive, im blind to it I have 3.145m in silver lions right now, and that is from me barely playing the game, almost exclusively in tanks, mostly SB battles to stratch the last Soviet tanks I havent even started on the Nazi's aside from a few battles, and my highest tank for the Americans is a 105 sherman which i barely drive Even if i operate on a loss for every game in the next year, i will still have more than enought credits to buy anything i manage to unlock the system could be better, but im alot more pissed off with having to unlock fucking spare parts and fire extingushers than anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashbotUS Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I only play Soviet line in WT and my highest tier is the KV2 and T-34-57M7 is kind of fun. LostCosmonaut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 the M7 appreciation hivemind grows again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Thats the thing man, it just hasnt effected me Sure, if i played planes more, or gave a shit about earning money more i would probably notice it But like the "poor optics" on the Russian tanks i drive, im blind to it I have 3.145m in silver lions right now, and that is from me barely playing the game, almost exclusively in tanks, mostly SB battles to stratch the last Soviet tanks I havent even started on the Nazi's aside from a few battles, and my highest tank for the Americans is a 105 sherman which i barely drive Even if i operate on a loss for every game in the next year, i will still have more than enought credits to buy anything i manage to unlock the system could be better, but im alot more pissed off with having to unlock fucking spare parts and fire extingushers than anything else Having to "unlock" bullshit that was part of the vehicle when it left the factory is part of the whole economic shitball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashbotUS Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Kind of wondering if I should dump my 3 German tanks and just play US, USSR, and UK lines? The couple million credits would be cool but my Tiger II is the highest tier I have right now (followed by tier 7 US and Russian tanks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I like the Tiger II, to be honest, even with the stock 88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Kind of wondering if I should dump my 3 German tanks and just play US, USSR, and UK lines? The couple million credits would be cool but my Tiger II is the highest tier I have right now (followed by tier 7 US and Russian tanks). I would say yes, the only really effective tanks the Germans have are the Leopard 1, and that is due to smart driving on their part The rest its just a game of people figuring out how to beat you, and then never letting up Personally, you should prioritize USSR first, and then US, and then maybe UK I like the Tiger II, to be honest, even with the stock 88 The most effective german tanks i see in my IS-2 always seem to be the ones that stay back, mainly jadpanzers and ferdinands The tiger 2s are tough but they aint invicible, and the IS-2 cuts through the (h)s turrent front easily and with the Tiger 2 P, its turrent is even vunerable to 85mm guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 When i played WoT M7 was very fun vehicle for me, allowed to be pretty sneaky-aggresive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasily Krysov Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 While pretty, that has nothing to do with the game's economy being a crusty poopsmear in a long unwashed pair of undershorts worn by an incontinent vagrant. I'm sorry but the only people I have ever seen complaining about the economy in WT are absolute shitlers who can't play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'm sorry but the only people I have ever seen complaining about the economy in WT are absolute shitlers who can't play well. Really.. So you thought the changes foisted on us in 1.37 were just peachy? In case some of you forgot- Pointing out nonsense like this, has noting to do with one being "a shitter" it has to do with the people running the game treating their players like money pinatas. Belesarius and SuperComrade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yeah, I miss the 20 rank system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yeah, I miss the 20 rank system The unlocking based on ranks in your "country" was more logical as well. I 'll also point out the numerous long standing issues with wacky damage mechanics (non-sealing self-sealing fuel tanks, anyone?), broken (and constantly played with) FM's, and Gaijin's overall attitude toward their playerbase when issues arise. Currently you have issues with untrained crews blacking out (with concurrent LOC) at absurdly low speeds and G loads, and their nonsensical "rental" scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Basically forcing you to unlock a certain number of planes to unlock the next era defeats the whole purpose of the system being faster, and I think was purposely done to incentivise people to buy premium vehicles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I remember in the 20 rank system where they promised that you'd be able to play at your highest rank once ground forces came out... except then oops, you weren't, look at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashbotUS Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I guess it was just a matter of time before someone did the "git gud" thing. Sorry but the economy of WT sucks, "gitten gudder" isn't going to fix that. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Wow i had no idea it was that bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vasily Krysov Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 So that big image and words are all centered on the exchange of GE for XP in WT. For me personally that doesn’t matter at all in WT because the actual playing of the game doesn’t make it necessary unlike in WoT. This part of the economy is so nonexistent to me that I assumed that you meant the XP/SL economy is bad in WT, which I cannot see being any further from the truth. I will note that I only started playing WT at some point after 1.37 so however it used to be has no bearing on my perceptions, I only go by a comparison between it and WoT. Now in WoT you get a new tank, now you got to drop gold on your crew. You possibly also need to drop freeXP on getting the modules that you need in order to actually have fun in your tank. Now you also got to buy a bunch of equipment to get the most of your tank (GLD, vents, VertStab, etc). “Stock tank grind” was a very real thing that utterly sucked the fun from the game on all levels of the game repeatedly as you had to do it for every tank unless you really splashed your dosh on FreeXP’ing past entire tanks. In WT, you might want to spend some GE on getting Parts and FPE on a high tier tank. Maybe for some mid-tier ones too if that your fancy. But for all of the vehicles below later Teir-4, it is absolutely not needed as you’ll unlock those modules in a handful of games. Aside from getting perhaps a particular shell that’s needed to make your gun right dangerous, you tank is now functionally complete. The time and effort investment needed to get to this point feels orders of magnitude lower than in WoT. On getting past tanks you have no interest in playing, it is naturally supported in WT. You just set your next research target and keep playing what you actually want to play your matches in. One valid point however is that this system breaks down in the Tier 5 vehicles, but I’d rather that it only effects one part of the vehicle pool, rather than all of them like it does in WoT. Now with the tech tree addressed, I’d like to now talk about how actually playing the game feels. In WoT, if you lose then you get less silver and XP. So this means that playing anything less than your best by either personal effort, tank choice (how hard can it carry?), equipment choice or ammo use means you’re on track to basically wasting your time. There’s also the pain that you feel where you have done absolutely everything you can but your dipshit team drags defeat from the jaws of victory and you still lose out personally. Leaving you with the double hit of no money and no XP because you lost 50% of what you would have gotten. Also in WoT, I found that you would have to periodically just play premium tanks with high credit multipliers so that you had enough money to do what you actually wanted to in game. Now in WT, the Necromongers from Riddick seem to have gained control as you keep what you kill. If I murder the fuck out of the enemy team with 10 kills, 4 assists and etc but we still lose, I get to keep all of it with no reduction because of my dipshit team. I also much prefer the overall gameplay systems in the game as I come from Red Orchestra and being rewarded for better positioning by being able to more consistently kill people quickly is great. While in WoT you get to chew through HP pools unless you get lucky with a fire or ammo box. As has been mentioned before in WT you don’t have to grind out dozens or even hundreds of matches on a tank that you despise to get onto the next vehicle. You also don’t need to make your decision on what to play based on its profitability as just simply playing well normally (with premium) will net you more silver than you will be able to spend. That means that you are given free choice for what you want to actually play and use your free time for. In conclusion, my feeling is that WT gives you more options to play the game however you want while still progressing through the game’s content. While in WoT you are forced into a very rigid system that actively punished you for not doing things “properly”. This means that the importance of such things like the RoI you get for spending gold on bypassing playing the game is greatly reduced to the point where it doesn’t even matter anymore as you are better off playing the game and having fun while doing so to get to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeps_Guns_Tanks Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 TLDNR, and no wall of text is going to convince me a gaijin game run by idiots is good. Their forum is filled with disgusting Nazis, and their moderators act like them. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 In the end I think it's just going to come down to personal preference. Also, wot forums are also terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 So that big image and words are all centered on the exchange of GE for XP in WT. For me personally that doesn’t matter at all in WT because the actual playing of the game doesn’t make it necessary unlike in WoT. This part of the economy is so nonexistent to me that I assumed that you meant the XP/SL economy is bad in WT, which I cannot see being any further from the truth. I will note that I only started playing WT at some point after 1.37 so however it used to be has no bearing on my perceptions, I only go by a comparison between it and WoT. Now in WoT you get a new tank, now you got to drop gold on your crew. You possibly also need to drop freeXP on getting the modules that you need in order to actually have fun in your tank. Now you also got to buy a bunch of equipment to get the most of your tank (GLD, vents, VertStab, etc). “Stock tank grind” was a very real thing that utterly sucked the fun from the game on all levels of the game repeatedly as you had to do it for every tank unless you really splashed your dosh on FreeXP’ing past entire tanks. In WT, you might want to spend some GE on getting Parts and FPE on a high tier tank. Maybe for some mid-tier ones too if that your fancy. But for all of the vehicles below later Teir-4, it is absolutely not needed as you’ll unlock those modules in a handful of games. Aside from getting perhaps a particular shell that’s needed to make your gun right dangerous, you tank is now functionally complete. The time and effort investment needed to get to this point feels orders of magnitude lower than in WoT. On getting past tanks you have no interest in playing, it is naturally supported in WT. You just set your next research target and keep playing what you actually want to play your matches in. One valid point however is that this system breaks down in the Tier 5 vehicles, but I’d rather that it only effects one part of the vehicle pool, rather than all of them like it does in WoT. Now with the tech tree addressed, I’d like to now talk about how actually playing the game feels. In WoT, if you lose then you get less silver and XP. So this means that playing anything less than your best by either personal effort, tank choice (how hard can it carry?), equipment choice or ammo use means you’re on track to basically wasting your time. There’s also the pain that you feel where you have done absolutely everything you can but your dipshit team drags defeat from the jaws of victory and you still lose out personally. Leaving you with the double hit of no money and no XP because you lost 50% of what you would have gotten. Also in WoT, I found that you would have to periodically just play premium tanks with high credit multipliers so that you had enough money to do what you actually wanted to in game. Now in WT, the Necromongers from Riddick seem to have gained control as you keep what you kill. If I murder the fuck out of the enemy team with 10 kills, 4 assists and etc but we still lose, I get to keep all of it with no reduction because of my dipshit team. I also much prefer the overall gameplay systems in the game as I come from Red Orchestra and being rewarded for better positioning by being able to more consistently kill people quickly is great. While in WoT you get to chew through HP pools unless you get lucky with a fire or ammo box. As has been mentioned before in WT you don’t have to grind out dozens or even hundreds of matches on a tank that you despise to get onto the next vehicle. You also don’t need to make your decision on what to play based on its profitability as just simply playing well normally (with premium) will net you more silver than you will be able to spend. That means that you are given free choice for what you want to actually play and use your free time for. In conclusion, my feeling is that WT gives you more options to play the game however you want while still progressing through the game’s content. While in WoT you are forced into a very rigid system that actively punished you for not doing things “properly”. This means that the importance of such things like the RoI you get for spending gold on bypassing playing the game is greatly reduced to the point where it doesn’t even matter anymore as you are better off playing the game and having fun while doing so to get to that point. tl;dr, OP works for Gaijin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I still enjoy WT more and i do work for Gaijn, there is a reason i was labeled as the HAV killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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