The Soviet Tank Thread: Transversely Mounted 1000hp Engines

[SH_MM]

Thanks, very interesting. So multi-layered Schottpanzerung relied on using multiple of same type of Schotte armor arrays in the tests (not mixing different types). Also at 800 meters distance the 105 mm APFSDS penetrates 165 mm steel armor according to TL-2350-001 (i.e. 340 HBW) at 60° (330 mm thickness along line of sight).

[Militarysta]

1 hour ago, SH_MM said:

 

 

So we can assume that 120mm DM13 had better performances and more then 330mm RHA at 60. So maybe 350mm was true.

[Wiedzmin]

is there any difference between 120 and 105mm APFSDS ? if not then DM13/105 at 200 meters = DM13/120 at 3-3,5km ?

 

interesting that with addon armour T-62 more or less equal to Leopard-2 1977-78 protection requriments...

 

 

[LoooSeR]

18 hours ago, Sovngard said:

Apparently, its maximum gun elevation didn't exceed +15°, that's too bad, because it would have been perfect as a self-propelled howitzer.

This vehicle is playable in the video game War Thunder but the ammo racks configuration is somewhat different :

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Regarding its armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile, was it a 152 mm APDS or APFSDS ? It's not specified.

 

 

   Looks like those were APFSDS, according to stats table

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Penetration with a fin-stabilized sabot projectile against steel - 295 mm along the normal at a distance of 3500 m.

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Due to the fact that for a 130-mm rifled gun NII-24 developed only an armor-piercing subcaliber projectile, and for a 152.4-mm cannon - a HEAT and armor-piercing projectiles with fins,

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[LoooSeR]

20 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

 

 

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[SH_MM]

2 hours ago, Wiedzmin said:

is there any difference between 120 and 105mm APFSDS ? if not then DM13/105 at 200 meters = DM13/120 at 3-3,5km ? 

 

Apparently mid-1970s variant of DM13 looses 75 m/s per kilometer; fired from the 105 mm smoothbore gun, the velocity (measured at 50 m distance) ranges between 1,376 and 1,392.5 m/s, from the 120 mm smoothbore gun the muzzle velocity is just stated as 1,650 m/s.

 

Assuming the deceleration stays consistent, after travelling 3,500 m the 120 mm DM13 will reach the v50 of the 105 mm variant. The ballistic tests against the T-62 were conducted with a firing distance of 200 m, but the penetration data shown in the Sicherheitskurve is for 800 m. At 200 m, the penetration of the APFSDS should be slightly higher.

 

It seems that the 120 mm DM13 APFSDS can penetrate more than 330 mm (165 mm at 60°) at a range of ~3,500 to 4,000 m. I probably underestimated its penetration power earlier. This is somewhat consistent with the tests against the (incorrectly) simulated T-64 hull armor, where 100 mm at 70° (292 mm effective thickness at the line of sight) could be defeated at ~4.300 m distance.

 

Given how poorly it performed against the simulated T-64's hull armor with spaced applique plate (was this also a multi-layered Schotte array?), it seems that DM13 really suffered against complex/spaced armor arrays, penetration is reduced to just ~336 mm armor (effective thickness, not equivalent protection) at ~1,240 m distance.

 

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

   Uran-9 aka "how many weapons will it have? - Yes". They added some simple cover for RPG launchers.

 

   Typhoon-VDV

 

   2S25M "Sprut-SDM1"

 

   BMP-3 with addition protection kit

 

   BTR-3F

 

   Whatever that thing is

 

   VPK-Ural (updated Ural-53099)

 

   BTR-82AT with additional cage armor and armor plating kit

 

   Updated VPK-3924 SPM-3

 

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[LoooSeR]

  Vitaliy Kuzmin's photos of Tigr Next

 

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   Updated Tigr from last year

 

   Ural-VPK

 

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[LoooSeR]

   Tigr Next official name is Tigr ASN

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   New armored vehicle "Tiger ASN"

   With 4 x 4 wheel arrangement, it is intended for transportation of personnel and military goods with the required level of protection. To replace the ASN Tigr-M SPN. The premiere of "Tiger ASN" will be held at the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2019", which opens June 25, 2019 in Kubinka

 

   photo: Ltd. "Military Industrial Company" (MIC)

   (c) Military Informant / Rustam Bogaudinov

 

 

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[LoooSeR]

   57 mm AC unmanned turret at UVZ part of Army 2019

[LoooSeR]

   A little better photo.

[LoooSeR]

   About new Tigr:

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   Tiger Next from GAZ

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   The car was developed by the GAZ Group's Military-Industrial Company (VPK), it also produces the Tiger of the current model.

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   According to Drom.ru, the armored car took over the frame, bridges and engine from the current Tiger (this is the 4.4-liter turbodiesel YMZ-534 with a capacity of 215 hp), but the transmission was replaced. The current one [old Tigr] is equipped with a 5-speed domestic manual transmission or a 5-step Alliance 1000 automatic transmission (USA). On the Tiger Next , the GAZ-1K0808 hydromechanical “automatic” with six ranges was used. The production of this gearbox is currently being set up by GAZ Group, a month ago the company certified the Vector Next bus with this “automat”. The SUV drive is permanent full 4x4.

 

   The main feature of the Next Tiger is a new armored body. It is designed according to the principles of MRAP, armored vehicles with enhanced mine protection. A key feature of MRAP is a bottom with a V-shaped profile that dissipates the energy of an explosion. The Tiger of the first generation does not have a mine protection. In addition, the new Tiger has a higher load-carrying capacity and a more convenient layout of the cabin.

 

   Note that the development of the Next Tiger began in 2017, research and development was conducted with money from the Ministry of Defense.

 

   Inside of that thing. Looks like normal Tigr with small changes in the back, AFAIK.

 

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[alanch90]

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The ATGM are still Ataka? The mounting seems changed from last year, now the missiles are placed next to each other horizontally

On the other hand at 0:06 three types of APFSDS are visible, can they be identified?
 

 

[LoooSeR]

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   As Sergei Suvorov, head of media relations and advertising at Military Industrial Company LLC, noted in an interview with RG: Russian Weapon, on the eve of the forum, some sources were quick to call this new vehicle as the Tiger Next or Tiger-2.

 

   “In fact, these are unofficial designations; we represent it here as the “Tiger of a new generation” or “Athlete”, because it was created under design program with same name” said Sergey Suvorov.

   “If we talk about the armored car itself, then over time it should replace the current production version of the Tiger,” he also added.

   The new machine has all the features improved. It was created taking into account the large experience of the combat use of armored vehicles obtained in various "hot spots". For example, the mine resistance was significantly improved, as a result, the ability to withstand explosions of ammunition up to 6 kg in TNT equivalent under the bottom or wheel.

    The gross weight is about 9 tons. Capacity, depending on the modification, from two to eight people. The engine is still 240 hp, with more power in the future. Maximum speed - at least 120 km / h. Max range - 1000 km.

   At the request of the customer, vehicle can be equipped with various weapons, including remotely controlled combat modules. As well as the currently released version, the new "Tiger" can serve as base for the installation of various weapons and combat systems.

 

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   “We created the hull, using spaced armor. I personally shot this machine from 30 m with a SVD with a heat-strengthened core bullet. The material was not penetrated” the company’s CEO told to Zvezda.

https://iz.ru/820798/2018-12-06/v-voenno-promyshlennoi-kompanii-rasskazali-o-tekhnicheskikh-osobennostiakh-tigra-2

 

   Tigr Next or Tigr-2 or Tigr Athlete or Tigr ASN, lol. 9 tons, 240 hp 6.7l engine so far, GAZ own automatic transmission, 120 km/h max speed on road, range - up to 1000 km, resistant to detonation of up to 6 kg of explosive under bottom and protects against AP bullets from SVD from 30 meters.

 

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   The head of the company also talked about plans to equip BTR-82 armored personnel carriers with the Ataka anti-tank missile systems.

   Krasovitsky told about plans to make a vehicle with more serious weapons. The tests have already passed, he noted, adding that the Ataka system was operating at a distance of 6 km.

 

[Xlucine]

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“We created the hull, using spaced armor. I personally shot this machine from 30 m with a SVD with a heat-strengthened core bullet. The material was not penetrated” the company’s CEO told to Zvezda.

 

Sort-of-direct translation of "hardened", or were they talking about steel cored AP? Seems to me that "hardened" could include WC cores, but "heat-strengthened" suggests just steel (and steel cored 7.62 at 30m seems kinda dull, with the gerpercers the US is looking at)

[LoooSeR]

2 hours ago, Xlucine said:

 

Sort-of-direct translation of "hardened", or were they talking about steel cored AP? Seems to me that "hardened" could include WC cores, but "heat-strengthened" suggests just steel (and steel cored 7.62 at 30m seems kinda dull, with the gerpercers the US is looking at)

   Material was not given, direct quote was "с термоупрочненным сердечником" which literally translates as "with heat strengthened core".

[LoooSeR]

   Mango-M (modernized Mango) and Svinets-2 APFSDS rounds for 125 mm guns (2A26 and 2A46M).

http://tecmash.ru/media/novosti/tekhmash-prodemonstriruet-novye-snaryady-na-armii-2019.html

   Mango-M

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   "Mango-M" is an export-oriented shot. One of its main advantages is full compatibility with the autoloaders of T-72 and T-90, which does not require the introduction of structural changes. In our opinion, this can play a key role in the selection of this ammunition by our foreign partners, who are armed with modern Russian-made tanks” said Vladimir Lepin, General Director of the Tehmash Concern.

 

   Svinets-2 on the right

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   “These are the latest models of ammunition, the armor penetration rate of which has been increased by more than 20%. If a regular shot penetrates 230 mm of an obstacle, then for “Mango-M” this indicator is equal to 280 mm, and for a shot “Svinets-2” - 300 mm. Improved technical characteristics of ammunition ensure the destruction of practically the entire spectrum of armored weapons and military equipment of a potential enemy over a distance of more than 2 km” said the industrial director of Rostec Sergey Abramov.

 

[LoooSeR]

On 6/23/2019 at 7:08 PM, LoooSeR said:

   Ural-VPK

 

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   Few move vics from Army 2019, photos by BMPD

 

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[LoooSeR]

   That looks... bizarre

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"Comrades, we have a problem!  T-72B3 is not half-assed enough!"

[LoooSeR]

   Tigr Atlet/Next 

 

   BTR-82AT

   Source (in Russian)

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   The BTR-82AT, along with the Atlet armored vehicle, is presented to the public for the first time. Unlike the base version, the BTR-82A, the upgraded armored personnel carrier is equipped with a combined gunner's sight with thermal, optical and rangefinding laser channels with stabilization of the visual field in the vertical plane. This increases the accuracy of shooting /.../

   Another difference immediately striking - vehicle is equipped with protective screens on the hull and the combat module. Their installation protects rear and side projections of the BTR from penetration by large-caliber machine guns. In addition, anti-HEAT grille will save the crew of the BTR-82AT from reactive anti-tank grenades.

   Anti-HEAT screens increased the combat weight of the BTR to 17.5 tons. This limited the ability of the armored personnel carrier to overcome water obstacles by swimming. However, this problem is solved by dismantling the passive protection kit.

   "Currently modernized vehicle is coming to test trails. The Minister of Defense announced the delivery of updated equipment for service this year, and we have to meet the deadlines. It is likely that the active test phase will start in August," said Sergei Suvorov, head of the direction on work with the media company "VPK".

   The company also notes that the modernization of the BTR-82A vehicles in service to the BTR-82AT level is possible at the locations of the customer [units?].

   

[LoooSeR]

   Found in Andrey_BT's LJ. Whole family of BMDs.

   BMD-1, -2, -3 (around 150 build in 90s), -4 and -4M (latest).

[Lord_James]

When did Soviet tanks get independent commander’s thermal sights? I think I remember it was in the 90s, with the T-80U and T-90, but I have some doubts. 

[LoooSeR]

   Pasholok's photo of new Nakidka (i think)

 

   Also:

https://ria.ru/20190627/1555953469.html

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   BMP-3 with the latest module "Epokha" is being tested by the Ministry of Defense

   June 27 - RIA News. Infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, equipped with the latest combat module "Epokha", are being tested at the Russian Defense Ministry, told RIA Novosti in the press service of the holding "High-precision complexes" (part of Rostec)
   "Currently, BMP-3 with Epokha are being tested at the sites of the Ministry of Defense. In accordance with the terms of the supply contract, samples are being manufactured. Deliveries will be started after the tests are completed," the company said.
   Earlier on the forum "Army-2018" between the Ministry of Defense and the holding "High-precision Complexes" a contract was signed for the supply of infantry fighting vehicles with a new combat module "Epoch".

 

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6598379

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   KUBINKA / Moscow Region /, June 27. / Tass /. The new light amphibious tank is being developed in Russia on the basis of the Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled anti-tank gun. This was reported by TASS in the framework of the forum "Army-2019" by chief designer of JSC "SKBM" (part of the holding "High-precision complexes") Sergei Abdulov.

   "Work is underway to create a lightweight non-airdroppable but amphibious tank on the basis of the Sprut-SDM1. The new vehicle will receive enhanced protection and a different suspension compared to the Sprut, the torsion suspension from the BMP-3 will be used, which is more reliable and less whimsical, than hydropneumatic at "Sprut", - he told. The designer added that "the weapon of new light tank will remain the same [as on Sprut]".

   He did not specify the name of the new project.
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https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6598879

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   BMP-3 for the Russian army will be equipped with additional protection

   According to the chief designer of the JSC "Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering" Sergey Abdulov, this decision was made on the basis of the antiterrorist operation in Syria

   KUBINKA / Moscow Region /, June 27. / Tass /. Infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3 will receive additional protection in the form of anti-HEAT cages and steel screens to withstand an RPG hit. It is planned to sign a contract for the supply of sets of such protection kits for the Russian troops, on Thursday at the Army-2019 forum the chief designer of the JSC Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (part of the High-precision Complex) Sergei Abdulov told to TASS.

   Abdulov explained that interest in providing enhanced protection for the BMP-3 appeared among the military as a result of the antiterrorist operation in Syria. "Now passed departmental tests and almost signed a contract for the supply of a set of additional protection, which includes steel screens and anti-HEAT cages" - he said.

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   This kit at Army 2019: