The Soviet Tank Thread: Transversely Mounted 1000hp Engines

[LoooSeR]

152 mm HE vs T-72.

[Collimatrix]

70+ years later and you still don't fuck with an ISU-152.

 

What were the circumstances of the picture?

[LoooSeR]

No idea. 152 mm HE can do mobility kill, but it can't destroy modern tank reliably. Although i would like to see results of Merkava 3/4 meeting with such HE shell.

[Khand-e]

No idea. 152 mm HE can do mobility kill, but it can't destroy modern tank reliably. Although i would like to see results of Merkava 3/4 meeting with such HE shell.

If you want to get yourself on several watchlists, Hezbollah has an old piece on their website where they report on taking out a Merkava III with a large black powder device.

May interest you.

[Collimatrix]

No idea. 152 mm HE can do mobility kill, but it can't destroy modern tank reliably. Although i would like to see results of Merkava 3/4 meeting with such HE shell.

 

Would a merkava respond particularly differently for any reason?

[LoooSeR]

Would a merkava respond particularly differently for any reason?

DId you saw Merkava hull without NERA? It have a lot of gaps, and armor itself is not really good. Merkava 4 hull is closer to skeleton in that regard. And i don't think that NERA works as well as armor-grade steel against big HE.

[Xlucine]

No idea. 152 mm HE can do mobility kill, but it can't destroy modern tank reliably. Although i would like to see results of Merkava 3/4 meeting with such HE shell.

 

That turret front hit we see in the first couple of pictures must have at least jammed the traverse - combine that with the damage to tracks preventing the tank pivoting, and there's not much it can do anymore

[LoooSeR]

 

Storage area with lots of T-64s.

 

T-80Us.

 

[LoooSeR]

DId you saw Merkava hull without NERA? It have a lot of gaps, and armor itself is not really good. Merkava 4 hull is closer to skeleton in that regard. And i don't think that NERA works as well as armor-grade steel against big HE.

 

Note gaps in side armor in the middle and near rear part too. Add here a fact that this armor is not so thick.

[Collimatrix]

Ah, thank you for the clarification LooSeR.

 

I take it those are holes for air intakes and radiators?

[LoooSeR]

Yes. But those holes are not the only one in Merkava hull/turret and that is a problem, when your tank is hit by HE. In fact, i am really interested how Merkava's add-on armor would work against big caliber HE, because they are just T-72-like NERA with textolite plastic.

 

[renhanxue]

 

A friend got this declassified recently. There's a test report that goes with it too that he hasn't scanned yet, will translate and post as soon as he does.

[EnsignExpendable]

Ooh, looks promising. Will definitely watch when I get home.

[renhanxue]

spoilers: the T-80U just completely dominates the others

 

Or, well, the Centurion fends pretty well for itself as far as trenches and vertical obstacles goes, but that's it.

[EnsignExpendable]

Oh yeah, that's the power of that insane engine in there. Too bad it was so expensive. I like how you can really tell in the video that the tank is nearly silent when driving towards you, I've heard of that feature, but I've never seen it.

[LoooSeR]

T-80U STRNK #Leningradpride

[renhanxue]

Got the associated report today, not super exciting. It could have been way more exciting because originally it contained comparison values with M1A1 and Leopard 2A4, but the fuckers at the national archives blacked those out before releasing it. Russian secrets aren't as important, it seems. :|

 

Will post on ~my blog~ once I get the relevant parts translated.

[LoooSeR]

Got the associated report today, not super exciting. It could have been way more exciting because originally it contained comparison values with M1A1 and Leopard 2A4, but the fuckers at the national archives blacked those out before releasing it. Russian secrets aren't as important, it seems. :|

 

Will post on ~my blog~ once I get the relevant parts translated.

Well, that could have been a bomb on Russian forums, if it was released.   

 

So what is left in it? Cent and/or Strv.103?

[renhanxue]

T-80U vs Centurion (re-engined variant, called strv 104 here) only.

[LoooSeR]

Thanks. I guess T-80U STRNK Leningradpride is not in danger from The Fat American Hamburger and The Overengineered Beer-drinking German.

 

F ck you, big headed M1A2 Abramovich!

[EnsignExpendable]

Got the associated report today, not super exciting. It could have been way more exciting because originally it contained comparison values with M1A1 and Leopard 2A4, but the fuckers at the national archives blacked those out before releasing it. Russian secrets aren't as important, it seems. :|

 

Will post on ~my blog~ once I get the relevant parts translated.

Clearly the archives staff were paid off to hide the shame of inferior Western tanks losing out to glorious socialism.

[renhanxue]

Being lazy about translating that report, but have a T-72 in the meantime.

 

[LoooSeR]

 

[renhanxue]

http://tanks.mod16.org/2015/04/09/report-from-terrain-trials-with-t-80u/

 

reports for the reports god

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This is a puzzler:

 

"Since every gear on the T-80U has a fixed turn radius, the tank has to be driven on the lowest gear to be able to make the tight turns, and it gets a result on par with the strv 104 despite being capable of much higher speeds."

 

The only way the gear that the tank is in would affect turn radius is if the T-80U has a double or triple differential steering system with a single-speed steering drive.  That would be exactly equivalent to what the centurion has.  Why are they complaining about it being primitive?  It would only compare unfavorably with the steering on the abrams and leo 2.