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15 hours ago, heretic88 said:

Somewhat surprising from Hlopotov, he defends the T-64. And actually, he is right! This "T-64B3" upgrade is indeed better than the T-72B3.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/gurkhan/tankist-vsu-rasskazal-o-svoem-tanke-t64bv-obr2017-goda-5c64372b84e0ea00aebfadf9

 

 

Is he though? One of the key points for saying it is better is that the new T-64 update mounts Nozh instead of the old Kontakt-5 applied to the B3s, but Nozh doesn't work as advertised. I thought the general consensus of evidence is that K-5 is better than Nozh given its multitude of issues?

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On 2/16/2019 at 1:43 AM, SH_MM said:

Nozh works as advertised, just the claimed efficiency is way too high.

 

I was referring to that thread, and from the evidence in there the performance seems dismal enough to say it's not working as advertised and certainly no improvement over Kontakt 5 outside of a few hypothetical edge cases.

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"We are starting to upgrade the T-80UD tanks to the level of Oplot BM"

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There are only a few dozen of these T-80UD on the territory of Ukraine and a certain number of experimental machines in different configurations.

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   That one was bought in 1999.

 

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Well,  the idea is interesting. T-80UD can be upgraded to the level of an Object 478DU9 (so-called T-84) and 478DU9-1 (BM "Oplot") without problems. But the only problem is that there is a scant amount of such tanks.

 

 

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“We are starting to modernize the T-80UD tanks to the T-84 level,” said Alexander Stolyarchuk.

 

“... Three-year order from us. It is already open to us. We have already begun work. There are already the first samples that came to our factory. We are already starting to detect them, and we will continue to increase these efforts. ”

 

The number of tanks that are subject to such modernization has not yet been disclosed (the ICTV channel reported on “a dozen Panzerniki (tanks)”)

 

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   Ukrainian state defense order in terms of armored vehicles and cars in 2018 wasn't reached.

The number of armored vehicles purchased: 94 (plan - 199)

The number of purchased automobiles and vehicles for various functional purposes: 676 (plan - 974)

The number of upgraded armored vehicles with repair: 7 (plan 16)

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   Steel was supplied to factories, which was used for the BTR-3E, BTR-4, Dozor-B. But it turned out that they supplied something wrong, does not meet the requirements, not armor-grade.
   Delivered as usual according to schemes through fictitious firms.

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   Comintern District Court in Kharkiv imposed a fine of 3.4 thousand hryvnias on the former deputy chief designer of the Kharkiv Engineering Design Bureau for the illegal provision of military services to the plant in the PRC.

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   As noted in the court records, during February-March 2018, the former designer of the Kharkov Bureau for one thousand dollars a month advised the workers of Machine-Building Plant No. 1 in the Chinese city of Bau-Tou.

   In particular, the consultations concerned the installation of reactive and anti-mine protection on lightly armored military vehicles, as well as armored and active protection on armored military equipment.

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   It became known about the new scandal around the state enterprise "KMDB" named after A. A. Morozov, where salary payments have stopped since January

  /.../The designers have not been paid for 2 months, many have no money just to get to work. Going on vacation. This is all happening against the background of the frantic propaganda of military achievements and the development of a postmaidan government.

From Andrey's blog.

 

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   Object 488 - heavy IFV/tank with dismounts. Kharkovites attempt to make Memerkava. Model:

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http://btvt.info/2futureprojects/object488.htm

 

   Front engine, ~55 tons, 6 dismounts, crew of 3, supposedly 30 rounds in turret and 10 more in hull for the main gun.

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5 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

     Front engine, ~55 tons, 6 dismounts, crew of 3, supposedly 30 rounds in turret and 10 more in hull for the main gun.

 

If they are using an unchanged T-80UD/T-84 turret, where are the dismounts seated? The turret basket is going to take up most of the space in there, and it seems to be too wide relative to the hull to allow BMP-3 type seating *around* the turret basket. Poor guys in there have to be basically vacuum sealed...

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It has 5 feet 2 inches long compartment at the back

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although its kinda cramped (well, entire vehicle is) with internal height from floor to ceiling of like 3 feet 11, and some 19.5 inches of width per dismount.


- imagine Merkava tank but with carousel autoloader, and with ammunition permanently removed from its storage area in the back:
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in order to fit dismounts -
Merkava is capable of that, but only temporarily:
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25 minutes ago, skylancer-3441 said:

although its kinda cramped (well, entire vehicle is) with internal height from floor to ceiling of like 3 feet 11, and some 19.5 inches of width per dismount.

 

I understand that, it's made clear in the article - but at 3'11" you're gonna have to be crouching - and I don't think that 19.5" per dismount is enough width to actually fit guys in - that's similar in size to notoriously cramped economy class airline seats, which aren't going to fit an infantryman, crouching, in combat gear.

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