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On 5/14/2019 at 9:40 PM, TokyoMorose said:


I understand that, it's made clear in the article - but at 3'11" you're gonna have to be crouching - and I don't think that 19.5" per dismount is enough width to actually fit guys in - that's similar in size to notoriously cramped economy class airline seats, which aren't going to fit an infantryman, crouching, in combat gear.

3 feet 11 inches, about 120cm is normal interior height for most of the sedans.

70cm is absolutely enough for shoulders.


Why ifv are used like a troop transporter?! 

Why should you ask comfort or more number of dismaunts in a vehicle which is supposed to be on frontline taking hits from every direction.


Its disregard of soldiers life in favor or comfort and internal volume. Ifv should protect soldiers from more then just a bullets.

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On 7/14/2020 at 2:47 AM, Eliz said:

3 feet 11 inches, about 120cm is normal interior height for most of the sedans.

IIRC sedans usually have doors to exit right next to passenger seats, not 5 feet away, and passengers usually do not seat with their back turned towards center line of the vehicle (or in opposite direction, with back turned towards left/right side of the vehicle).


On 7/14/2020 at 2:47 AM, Eliz said:

70cm is absolutely enough for

Depends on what kind of clothes or equipment people are wearing, and what they are doing (give everyone an RCV to control with some kind of joysticks, like MET-D demonstrator, you'll probably need more than 70cm).


But 19.5 inches equals to ~49.5cm



Why should you ask comfort or more number of dismaunts in a vehicle which is supposed to be on frontline taking hits from every direction.

It's not about such vague thing as comfort, it's about basic necessity required to prevent dismounts and crew from getting too tired too fast (thus - reportedly -decreasing their combat effectiveness).


Small infantry squad has a problem of seriously decreasing its combat effectiveness with only 2-3 people killed, IIRC what US Army's studies said about that.


IIUC in order to make vehicle substantially harder to hit compared to regular vehicles, nowadays or anytime during last 50 years or so, one have to make it much, much smaller, as even 30cm difference in height would not make that much of a difference. 

One could look at 1970s-1980s experiments with external pod guns and very small profile turrets, designed this way to decrease enemy's hit probability among other things, - as regular tank turrets looked too big, too easy to hit -

and frontal area of those regular tank turrets from back then is much smaller than any infantry-carrying-vehicle's hull

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   The private company NPO Praktika (part of the State Union League of Defense Enterprises of Ukraine), as part of the 2020 State Defense Order, shipped a large batch of Kozak-2 armored vehicles to the Armed Forces. The transfer of vehicles took place on Saturday, the Day of the Ground Forces of Ukraine, which has been celebrated annually on December 12 since 1997.


   It is noted that over the years that have passed since the appearance of the first prototype, private company have made significant progress in localizing the production of this model.

   "We are especially proud that "Kozak-2" is 70% made of components and components of domestic production, which are supplied by a dozen Ukrainian enterprises", - noted the press service of NPO Praktika.


   Recall that the Ukrainian armored car produced by NPO Praktika was created on the chassis of the Iveco Eurocargo truck in 2015. Since then, the armored car has been repeatedly modernized based on the experience of practical operation in the combat zone in the Donbas. In general, more than 240 armored vehicles of this model have already been delivered to the armed structures of Ukraine. And at the beginning of 2017, after a full cycle of state tests, "Kozak-2" was adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.









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   This is just great... from otvaga:


   The pre-trial investigation established that officials of the State Enterprise "Design Bureau" Artillery Armament "(hereinafter - the State Enterprise "KB AO", Kiev, EDRPOU code 34297075) appropriated funds of the State Enterprise "Plant named after V.A. Malyshev" (hereinafter - SE "ZiM", Kharkov, EDRPOU code 14315629) in especially large sizes when supplying the latter with 125-mm Soviet-made tank barrels (model 2A46M, on the balance sheet of the SE "Kiev Armored Plant", hereinafter - KBTZ, g Kiev EDRPOU code 14302667) under the guise of new barrels produced by SE "KB" AO "(model KBA-3).


   At the same time, in order to fulfill the aforementioned contract, the officials of SE" KB "AO", realizing the lack of technical feasibility of manufacturing barrels, entered into an agreement with SE "KBTZ" dated 22.09.2015 No. 057/247 for the purchase of barrels and artillery systems that were made during the Soviet era.



   In a commentary for Zhurnalisticheskaya Pravda, a military expert, a reserve colonel, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine Viktor Murakhovsky recalled that there is no possibility in Ukraine to produce tank guns; never appeared ... But Ukraine is unlikely to lose its tanks soon. Those tank guns that it has on equipping tanks have a fairly large resource.

   Secondly, there are mobilization reserves that were created in the Soviet army. But they failed to organize a new production. They exported tanks, including to Pakistan, to Thailand, usingf Soviet-made guns.


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