General AFV Thread

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To clarify, these arent North Korean Type62s.

[CrashbotUS]

WTF is that???

 

I think that was a prototype tank destroyer from Agerntina on m9 half track chassis. 6 105 recoiless rifles. 

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A known otvaga forum user vim in SAR, inside of Leo2A4.

 

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I wonder why ROK went with the K2 design instead of upgrading the K1.  Just how much was there to gain by going to the new design?

 

EDIT: DISREGARD THAT, I WASN'T THINKING AND FORGOT ABOUT THE K1A1.

[Scolopax]

I wonder why ROK went with the K2 design instead of upgrading the K1.  Just how much was there to gain by going to the new design?

 

EDIT: DISREGARD THAT, I WASN'T THINKING AND FORGOT ABOUT THE K1A1.

I'd like to add that there is a K1A2 as well.

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Yeah, which brings up some different questions about the K2.

 

K1A2 should be basically an Abrams/Leo2 class tank, right?  After all it's basically GM's XM1 prototype* warmed over, and given some upgrades, so it should be basically competitive with those designs.

 

But the existence of the K2 suggests that ROK thinks that there are worthwhile improvements to be had that require an entirely new design.  Does that suggest that the US should ditch ideas of re-opening the Abrams production line and go to a completely new design?

 

 

 

 

 

* I think.  The suspension design is very similar.  Does anyone know for sure?  M48A5K?

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AFAIK turret armor layout and design are different between K1 models and K2. I suspect that K2 armor is modular, which make it a design, with aim for future upgrades, but i am not well informed about Korean tanks. Also, isn't K2 equipped wituh autoloader, while K1 is just human loader? This would make gun upgrades easier.

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Yes, K2 has a three man crew, K1 and variants are four man.

 

I wonder just how much extra armor the three man configuration allows.

[Walter_Sobchak]

Yeah, which brings up some different questions about the K2.

 

K1A2 should be basically an Abrams/Leo2 class tank, right?  After all it's basically GM's XM1 prototype* warmed over, and given some upgrades, so it should be basically competitive with those designs.

 

But the existence of the K2 suggests that ROK thinks that there are worthwhile improvements to be had that require an entirely new design.  Does that suggest that the US should ditch ideas of re-opening the Abrams production line and go to a completely new design?

 

 

 

 

 

* I think.  The suspension design is very similar.  Does anyone know for sure?  M48A5K?

K1 was lighter than the abrams and the suspension on K1 is a torsion bar/Hydro combination.  But yeah, the K1A1 and K1A2 seem like very capable vehicles.  I think one of the motivations of the K2 program is to create a tank using almost all indigenous components, which would make it much easier to export than the K1.  Also, the K2 will not be replacing the K1, K2 will be replacing the older M48 tanks still in service.  Kinda like how in Japan the Type 10 is not replacing the Type 90, which is still a very capable vehicle, but rather the older Type 74 tanks still in service.  At least, that's what I can gather reading what little is out there on these vehicles in English.  

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Comet, Centurion, Charioteer, Pershing, and Caernarvon on show, with a small appearance from some Churchill Crocodiles

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K2 Black Panther turret

 

Hull

 

Gun and Autoloader

 

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Leclerc

 

And autoloader

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A new version of the Egyptian Fahd APC has just been unveiled, now with a V-hull and strengthened armour.

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KamAZ Viking heavy MRAP for FSB during Atom-2016.

 

 

French RAID protected vehicle with similar purpose:

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Altay tank turret roof armor - looks like it is layered.

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M60T Sabra

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Hooper operation, 1988.

 

 

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Matilda pieces

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Lets all admire the mighty Tiger-Stuart.

 

https://youtu.be/rC1XwD1xNvo?t=7m35s