LoooSeR Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Polish Grot-2 multimission trainer. It is to have Ukrainian built engines. [insert joke about Ukraine here] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Polish Grot-2 multimission trainer. It is to have Ukrainian built engines. [insert joke about Ukraine here] Will it be flown by trained ferrets? Oh wait... It's a SCALE model. ... ... A miniature fighter jet flow by ferrets WOULD be cool though. Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Advertisement for the L-150-16M "Pastel" RWR/ELINT complex, here proposed as an upgrade for the SU-25, but also available as an upgrade for the SU-27 family. The radar warning receiver (RWR) portion of the complex is a passive and directional antenna. When a radar waves from a hostile ground or aircraft radar hit the aircraft the pilot is alerted, and the system can cue a missile to fire in response to the threat. As this infographic shows, this can be an anti-radiation missile for ground targets, or a radar-homing missile for air threats. I am dubious that this would work particularly well in air-to-air mode. Existing radar warning receivers do not give particularly precise bearings to threat radars. I do buy that advances in antenna design and better digital signal processing could solve this problem somewhat, but a radar warning receiver is still no substitute for an actual radar. Radars give not just a bearing to the target, but also the range velocity of the target, and radar warning receivers do not. A missile fired without target bearing and range information would be much more likely to miss. For ground targets this is not a pressing issue, as they hold still for the missiles to clobber them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Those arent just any Active radar missiles, pictured is a R-77 it would be quite a feat to be able to fire one from su-25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Those arent just any Active radar missiles, pictured is a R-77 it would be quite a feat to be able to fire one from su-25 Yes; R-77 works similarly to AMRAAM. It has an active radar homing guidance package in the nose of the missile, but you can't pack a very big radar into a missile, so the missile's radar has short detection range. So the host fighter needs to use its own (much more powerful radar) to detect the target and guide the R-77 until the R-77 gets close enough that the R-77's radar switches on and it can guide itself to the target. But SU-25 isn't a fighter, it's a CAS aircraft, so it doesn't have an air to air radar, so it can't use R-77s. What they're proposing is that if a Turkish enemy aircraft lights up the SU-25 equipped with their fancy new electronics warfare package, the L-150 will localize the threat and the SU-25 pilot will be able to fire an R-77 in response. The R-77 will receive mid-course correction from the SU-25's L-150 until it is close enough to switch on its own radar and guide itself to intercept. I don't think this will work particularly well, for reasons stated above, but I buy that it's a technically feasible system. F-22 has something similar, but AIUI it uses the RWR to cue the radar before it fires a missile. Also, AESA radars are much less likely to make RWRs go off, so this defensive measure would be much less effective against fighters with AESA. Finally, R-77 is a big missile. R-73s make more sense for self-defense; more weight left over for air to surface weapons, which is the SU-25's main job anyway. Presumably when the L-150 is mounted on the SU-27 it cues the fighter's radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm_kruger Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 And of course there's the question of why a ground attack aircraft would be operating without cover in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Sturgeon, LostCosmonaut, Belesarius and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Collimatrix Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 And of course there's the question of why a ground attack aircraft would be operating without cover in the first place. Shit happens. You can slap defensive air to air missiles on just about anything: Raptor weapons bays doing their thing: Priory_of_Sion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Shit happens. You can slap defensive air to air missiles on just about anything: xthetenth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 And of course there's the question of why a ground attack aircraft would be operating without cover in the first place. or the better question why ground attack aircraft would be targeted by NATO aircraft when bombing a supposed "common enemy" in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Collimatrix, RobotMinisterofTrueKorea and Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RobotMinisterofTrueKorea Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Hill AFB, 1983 SBD-2 Dauntless from VMSB-241. This aircraft attacked Akagi during the Battle of Midway Bristol Blenhiem Mk. IF Rather impressive scoreboard on a USAAF B-17 assigned to the Pacific theater. LostCosmonaut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LostCosmonaut Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Belesarius and Sturgeon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I adore the F-4 family. Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 This was presumably taken before they discovered that the plane wouldn't fly unless they made it look like a broken-tailed hunchback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xthetenth Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Shit happens. You can slap defensive air to air missiles on just about anything: Scolopax and LoooSeR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm_kruger Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 "The crew and passengers were not to know that this aircraft, like every other aircraft within the Nimrod fleet, was not airworthy. What is more, the aircraft was, in my judgment, never airworthy from the first release to service in 1969 to the point where the Nimrod XV 230 was lost." xthetenth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Mission Patches for US spy satellites More with article here RobotMinisterofTrueKorea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Raptor disapproves of the current weather. Does anyone know what the little bay doors behind the sidewinder bays are for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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