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rifling bit for 16 inch guns.    

USS Massachusetts firing a broadside. Note outbound 16" shells in the upper left hand part of the picture.

Pavel Derzhavin, from outside:        Some parts from inside:    

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https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/s-file/S-584-110.html
 

An 80,000 ton battleship proposal, meant to be the maximum size that could still use the Panama Canal. 
 

this one in particular is my favorite out of all the 80,000 ton proposals because she is armed with sextuple, 16 inch turrets, for a broadside of 24 shells, or 3 times that of the Colorado class (or all 3 Colorado’s combined). Also has 18 inch belt armor and a claimed maximum speed of 25 knots. 

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Following a very productive use of my time in an extensive investigation, I have made a discovery that could very well tear apart our beliefs concerning Frank Roosevelt's true allegiance during the Second World War.

 

Below is a photo of the bathtub meant to help accommodate the President aboard the battleship USS Iowa as he traveled to Tehran Conference in 1943.

 

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A harmless enough scene.  Sudsy water, various toiletries, some reading material, and a few bath toys to play with. Let's take a closer look at that plastic boat though.

 

 

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It appears to be a fairly realistic-looking design, a warship of some type for sure.  It does not look like the Iowa or any other ship used by the US Navy though.  Perhaps it could be a vessel of another nationality?

 

 

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This here is an Admiral Hipper-class heavy cruiser (taken from World of Warships for the sake of a similar viewing angle).  These ships were constructed in the late 1930's by Nazi Germany and saw use during the Second World War.  With the exception of the main battery gun count, you will notice that the cruiser shares several details with the toy boat from above.  A fair number of details really...

 

 

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What was the president of the United States doing with a model of an enemy cruiser floating in his personal bathtub, and of such a relatively modern (at the time) vessel at that?

 

 

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22 hours ago, Scolopax said:

I forget, was the thing supposed to go ashore (near) there, or did it break away while being towed and beach itself?

   AFAIK it was supposed to be moved to Patriot park (it is further), not just left floating. Somebody overestimated abilities of their equipment to tow this thing on wet sand.

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   Patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin".

   On November 27, 2020, the ship was accepted into the Black Sea Fleet. Pavel Derzhavin is the third ship of Project 22160, designed and built using a modular armament concept.

 

Photo: Vitaly Timkiv

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The USS Shaw, a Mahan-class destroyer, was the victim of a catastrophic magazine explosion that was famously captured in a photo during the Pearl Harbor attack. 

 

 

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While her bow and bridge superstructure were lost as a result of the blast, her presence in drydock meant she was still able to be salvaged and refloated in due time.

 

 

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Shaw was later rebuilt and went on to actively serve in the Pacific throughout the remainder of the war.

 

 

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Allow me to introduce one of the more interesting DDs that fought in WWII: Z-31 (Later D601 Marceau

 

 

Z-31 started life as the first ship of the 1936a (mob) type, and was unique in that she was the only ship in her (sub)class to not receive the 150mm twin turret on completion (Z-32 through 39 were completed with the twin), being closer to the previous 1936a type (Z-23 through 30). 

 

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A 1936a type destroyer. Z-31 would have looked like this when commissioned by the kreigsmarine. Notice that the 20mm veirling on the rear deckhouse is missing, however. 

 

 

She was upgraded during the war, first replacing the super-firing single 20mm infront of the bridge with a 20mm flakveirling, sometime in late 1942 or 1943, and finally equipping her 150mm twin turret in March 1944. But this wouldn't last: on the night of January 27th, 1945, only 10 months after the refit, Z-31 and 2 of her sisters (Z-34 and Z-38) were intercepted by British cruisers HMS Mauritius (Crown Colony class) and HMS Diadem (improved Dido class), and it went about as well as expected. The forward turret on Z-31 had blown up, and was irreparable; with no replacement twin turret or even 150mm single turret, the turret cavity was plated over, and a single 10.5cm SK C/32 gun was mounted on top of the platform (unspecified if the mount was single or dual purpose). During this time, her anti-aircraft armament was also upgraded to 6 twin 37mm KM42 (custom kreigsmarine automatic AA gun) 4 of which were mounted between the bridge and A turret, 2 single 37mm M43 (army 37mm flak 43), a 20mm flakveirling on the aft deckhouse (per usual), and between 2 and 4 twin 20mm C/38s (sources vary). 

 

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I cant find any pictures of Z-31 after she equipped the 10.5cm gun, but I did find this graphic, which should give a general idea of how she looked. 

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The wrecked forward turret, trained far to port. There is still an unfired round stuck in the damaged breach of the left gun! Notice the 20mm veirling in the top left. 

 

 

After her repair, she was again sent to the front lines, bombarding the approaching soviet army in late March, and towed the gutted hull of Gneisenau to be sunk outside Gotenhafen, to prevent the use of the port. In early April, she and the destroyer Z-34, as well as the cruisers Leipzig, Lutzow, and Prinz Eugen, left Gotenhafen, and were attacked by soviet aircraft, with Z-31 receiving 2 bombs hits. For the rest of the war, she was in and out of repair, being constantly harrassed by the soviet airforce. 

 

 

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Marceau in 1951, painted in a similar style to late war USN DDs. 

 

 

After the war, Z-31 was interned by the British, who then handed her over to the French in February, 1946 (along with several other former German DDs), were she was christened Marceau. Between 1948 and 1950, she was modernized by again removing the A turret, and again mounted a single 150mm gun (as she did in 1942). Her AA was removed and changed to 8 single 40mm Bofors but she kept the 20mm veirling on the rear deckhouse until after 1951, for some reason. Marceau (now D601) was also equipped with radar from the US (maybe an SC or SR, the rectangular air search radars mounted on top of the foremasts on most US DDs). In this configuration, she served until 1954, where she was decommissioned, and in 1958, finally sent off to the scrap yards. 

 

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Marceau in late 1950, just after her refit. Notice the shields for the 40mm guns, very similar to the shields on German 4cm flak 28s. Also notice the 20mm veirling still sitting on it's pedestal, unchanged since her commissioning in 1942.  

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