Syrian conflict.

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Looks like Palmyra

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN2nFU45oWo&feature=youtu.be

Russian Airstrike conducted over Taftanaz Helicopter Airbase in Idlib CS

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN2nFU45oWo&feature=youtu.be

Russian Airstrike conducted over Taftanaz Helicopter Airbase in Idlib CS

#SAA, Allies about 11 km to reach #Taftanaz Helicopter Airbase and 18 Km to #Fuah & #Kufrayya #كفريا #الفوعة #إدلب

Hmm... looks like those positions are prepared to be assaulted.

 

 

Looks like Iran/Iraq/Lebanese/SAA forces will push from M5 highway to surrounded cities, 10 VBIEDs attack (all by moderate opposition, of course) on which i covered in first pages of this thread.

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Al-Khal, pro #ISIS ''Liwa Shuhad'a Al-Yarmouk'' commander, killed by IED bomb in Dara'a-Qunitra countryside

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Scoundrel's artillery.

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The photo appears to be from sometime in 2012. According to this article from 2011 a blackmarket FAMAS was only $3,700 in Lebanon.

 

One needs to always take the "moderate islamists" stuff with a spoon of salt, as Assad needs to destroy any opposition so that the world is forced to pick between him and ISIS. Note how pro-regime and Russian media almost never refers to specific organizations, instead preferring "terrorists" or "Islamists". Or how the Syrian military has collaborated with ISIS against the rebels/Kurds.

 

Go spout that fucking Moderate Islamist bullshit somewhere else

 

the only moderate people in syria are those who have left, are willing to wait this whole thing out, or have signed up with the SAA

 

You dont like assad- fine, vote him out of office

Nothing says moderate like picking up a gun and destroying one of the last respites of secuarlism in the middle east

 

But im sure this is all Russian propaganda

 

Just like those rebels in libya were moderates

 

And the ones in Iraq who were figthing sadam

 

and the ones in Afghanastan fighting the Soviets

 

what ever happened to all those moderates?

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Go spout that fucking Moderate Islamist bullshit somewhere else

 

the only moderate people in syria are those who have left, are willing to wait this whole thing out, or have signed up with the SAA

 

You dont like assad- fine, vote him out of office

Nothing says moderate like picking up a gun and destroying one of the last respites of secuarlism in the middle east

 

But im sure this is all Russian propaganda

 

Just like those rebels in libya were moderates

 

And the ones in Iraq who were figthing sadam

 

and the ones in Afghanastan fighting the Soviets

 

what ever happened to all those moderates?

Tied and I disagree about a lot of shit.

 

Like... ALOT.

 

But on this particular subject, we are not that far apart.  I'm not a fan of Assad. I think he's a corrupt thug.  But I'm enough of a realist to understand that in a situation where the 'good guys' are using kidnapping and caging family members of the SAA on the back of trucks as a tactic, there may not be a good side to choose here.  Moderates? There are no real moderates in this fight.

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eh, i am a fan of Bashar Hammar al-Assad 

 

God save him 

[Donward]

Shit just got real. And there's no mindless WoT mods to bail you out. Fight and die on the merits of your argument. Like real men do.

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   If you read almasdar news article, they always name organisations which were in combat.

 

   Don't try to push this idiocy about "moderates" here.

 

   FSA, Nusra and ISIS periodicly coordinate their actions against Syria army, as recent attempt to cut of Aleppo SAA units showed (simultaneous attacks from both sides of highway area). 

 

   Russian medias also many times (i posted TV reports here many times) refer to Nusra, Akrar Ash-Sham and several others.

 

Push it? You were the one who was posting the stuff first.

 

Al-Masdar is interesting. Very pro-regime, almost no information on who runs/funds it or where they're operating from. Near as I can find it's run by the son of a Syrian blogger from Michigan who has called for attacks against US military ships deployed to the Mediterranean.

 

 

Go spout that fucking Moderate Islamist bullshit somewhere else

 

the only moderate people in syria are those who have left, are willing to wait this whole thing out, or have signed up with the SAA

 

You dont like assad- fine, vote him out of office

Nothing says moderate like picking up a gun and destroying one of the last respites of secuarlism in the middle east

 

But im sure this is all Russian propaganda

 

Just like those rebels in libya were moderates

 

And the ones in Iraq who were figthing sadam

 

and the ones in Afghanastan fighting the Soviets

 

what ever happened to all those moderates?

 

 

Yes I'm sure you'll be able to vote out a regime lead by the guy who's father came to power via coups that installed a political party created by Arab nationalists cribbing from Germany in the 30s and 40s. I'm sure it'll be just like when the Kurds voted on independence in the 80s and 90s and totally weren't gassed by Saddam.

 

Afghanistan? One seems to recall that Soviet involvement started when the "moderate communists" overthrew the secular government, killed anybody who didn't support them, and murdered the US ambassador. (Or the ambassador was murdered by the Soviet "advisers" commanding the rescue, if you're inclined to conspiracy theories.)

 

For Libya, unless you're pushing the bizarre Trotskyist/neo-liberal story about about poor, innocent Gadaffi being a victim of western imperialism, you'd know the current civil war started last year after the western backed government tried to coup the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

But the moderates in Syria? Most of them have been shot by Assad and ISIS by now. Congrats on that.

 

 

Mass graves have been found near Sinjar.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-sinjar-graves-20151115-story.html

 

Local media outlet Rudaw reported Sunday that witnesses had pointed out one of the graves to officials the day before. The witnesses told them the grave, near the Sinjar Technical Institute, contained the remains of 78 women between the ages of 40 and 80 years old.

 

The gruesome discovery was followed by the finding of another grave Sunday 10 miles west of Sinjar believed to contain the bodies of about 50 men. Both graves have yet to be excavated.

 

A reporter with Rudaw said Iraqi Kurdish fighters told him there potentially were six more graves in the area.

 

Apparently there's also a lot of arson going on, though it's unclear if they're collaborators getting dealt with, or if the Kurds are just burning houses to clear them of IEDs.

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Push it? You were the one who was posting the stuff first.

 

Al-Masdar is interesting. Very pro-regime, almost no information on who runs/funds it or where they're operating from. Near as I can find it's run by the son of a Syrian blogger from Michigan who has called for attacks against US military ships deployed to the Mediterranean.

 

 

 

 

Yes I'm sure you'll be able to vote out a regime lead by the guy who's father came to power via coups that installed a political party created by Arab nationalists cribbing from Germany in the 30s and 40s. I'm sure it'll be just like when the Kurds voted on independence in the 80s and 90s and totally weren't gassed by Saddam.

 

Afghanistan? One seems to recall that Soviet involvement started when the "moderate communists" overthrew the secular government, killed anybody who didn't support them, and murdered the US ambassador. (Or the ambassador was murdered by the Soviet "advisers" commanding the rescue, if you're inclined to conspiracy theories.)

 

For Libya, unless you're pushing the bizarre Trotskyist/neo-liberal story about about poor, innocent Gadaffi being a victim of western imperialism, you'd know the current civil war started last year after the western backed government tried to coup the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

But the moderates in Syria? Most of them have been shot by Assad and ISIS by now. Congrats on that.

 

 

Mass graves have been found near Sinjar.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-sinjar-graves-20151115-story.html

 

Apparently there's also a lot of arson going on, though it's unclear if they're collaborators getting dealt with, or if the Kurds are just burning houses to clear them of IEDs.

 

 

Oh ya, those good ole boys in Afghanastan and libya really did seek justice for themselves

 

What kind natured folk who never did anything bad but to those evil dictators and commies

 

 

 

 

Oh ya, real fucking convenient that all the "moderate rebels" have been killed off now

 

 

Because it was getting pretty hard to keep track of one group of zealous militants from another 

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There is no good/moderate Islamist groups. There are a few secular democratic groups in Syria and Libya that aren't complete shit and aren't Baathists, but they aren't large enough to hold sway between the Islamists and the Baathists. 

 

It would be great if those groups could have been better organized and more in the bigger picture of the Middle East, they just aren't. 

 

It doesn't help that Iran and Saudi Arabia are more in Syria/Iraq to fight a proxy war against each other than to actually solve any problem.

 

Syria and Iraq are going to have to be split like Yugoslavia. The Alawite Coast and Damascus are not leaving Assad's grip. Sunni Iraq/Syria basically needs the same autonomy as Iraqi Kurdistan which, by the way, could just annex Rojava.

 

You are going to need the US, Turkey, Gulf States, Russia, Iran, and the EU all come together to work out something like that and all try to work together to smoke out ISIS, JaN, and other Jihadists from Syria & Iraq. However I remain nihilistic about the Middle East. 

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You want the Middle East to be moderate? Give it to the Sikhs and give them nukes.

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I am so in favour of that option.

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There is no good/moderate Islamist groups. There are a few secular democratic groups in Syria and Libya that aren't complete shit and aren't Baathists, but they aren't large enough to hold sway between the Islamists and the Baathists. 

 

It would be great if those groups could have been better organized and more in the bigger picture of the Middle East, they just aren't. 

 

It doesn't help that Iran and Saudi Arabia are more in Syria/Iraq to fight a proxy war against each other than to actually solve any problem.

 

Syria and Iraq are going to have to be split like Yugoslavia. The Alawite Coast and Damascus are not leaving Assad's grip. Sunni Iraq/Syria basically needs the same autonomy as Iraqi Kurdistan which, by the way, could just annex Rojava.

 

You are going to need the US, Turkey, Gulf States, Russia, Iran, and the EU all come together to work out something like that and all try to work together to smoke out ISIS, JaN, and other Jihadists from Syria & Iraq. However I remain nihilistic about the Middle East. 

   How probable was idea that Baathist could create arab version of Soviet Union/European union? Some people here voiced opinions about that, although i have problem believing that could happen.

 

   The problem is that nobody managed to point at map where are those democrats. And almost all others are connected to each other in sme or another way.

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/maps/view/syria

 

 

Or here:

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/maps/view/syria

 

Click on links to see descriptions, here are examples of Nusra-FSA links (FSA is usually are refered as "moderates"):

 

 

 

July 2012: Al-Nusra and the FSA begin cooperate on the battlefield early in the civil war, as demonstrated by their July 19, 2012 seizure of a police station and its weapons. Despite the AQ links on al-Nusra's side and the secular leanings of the FSA, this relationship continues throughout the conflict.

 

 

 

August 2012: Al-Nusra and the Tawhid Brigade are two of eleven Islamist groups to release a joint statement opposing the creation of the National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, a representative group formed in Qatar that seeks to replace Assad and establish a secular transitional government by unifying support for the FSA. The Islamist groups rejected the umbrella and instead called for the establishment of an Islamic state, although the disagreement didn't prevent cooperation on the ground between the FSA and Islamists.

 

 

 

December 2012: When the United States designates al-Nusra as a terrorist organization a number of rebel groups, including members of the Free Syrian Army, demonstrate and sign petitions in protest.

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Al Alam. Hader, Zoubra.. We see the new commander of the joint group in Aleppo

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#RuAF reportedly destroyed a 20 car convoy east of Rityan in #Aleppo countryside which came from #Turkey

Will be interesting to find out more if it is true.

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Some progress in Latakia:

 

 

#SAA #NDF take control of Beit Abu Risha village and Ketf Al-Sa'oor in NE #Latakia countryside

 

#SAA #NDF also took control of 2 hills (1149m & 1143m) overlooking Rweiset Iskandar in #Latakia countryside

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#SAA #Kweires 

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#RuAF over #Tartous this morning 

 

Patrol birds.

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Following attack, #Jaish_Fateh gives Liwa Shuhada Yarmouk militants 24 hours to surrender themselves 

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It seems that JN&FSA tries to take under their control more territories, probably for better resistance against SAA/NDF/Syrain pro-state militias/Iraqi and Iranian units.

 

Opp source: #JN alongside #FSA factions are attacking areas under the control of Liwa Shuhada Yarmouk in SW #Daraa countryside

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More rumors about clashes between militants/terrorists

 

Clashes ongoing at the Family House in west #Aleppo as #JN & allies launch large assault on #SAA & Liwa Al-Quds' positions

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Rumors are going on that Turkey tried to put Kurdish forces into list of terrorits. Well, at least JN and ISIS made they way into it.

 

 

#Kremlin: Disagreements between #Russia & #Turkey regarding listing the Kurds (#PYD/#YPG) as terrorists in #Syria