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   Hello, my friends and Kharkovites, take a sit and be ready for your brains to start to work - we are going to tell you a terrible secret of how to tell apart Soviet tanks that actually works like GLORIOUS T-80 and The Mighty T-72 from Kharkovites attempt to make a tank - the T-64. Many of capitalists Westerners have hard time understanding what tank is in front of them, even when they know smart words like "Kontakt-5" ERA. Ignoramus westerners!



   Because you are all were raised in several hundreds years old capitalism system all of you are blind consumer dummies, that need big noisy labels and shiny colorful things to be attached to product X to be sold to your ignorant heads and wallets, thats why we will need to start with basics. BASICS, DA? First - how to identify to which tank "family" particular MBT belongs to - to T-64 tree, or T-72 line, or Superior T-80 development project, vehicles that don't have big APPLE logo on them for you to understand what is in front of you. And how you can do it in your home without access to your local commie tank nerd? 



   Easy! Use this Putin approved guide "How to tell appart different families of Soviet and Russian tanks from each other using simple and easy to spot external features in 4 steps: a guide for ignorant western journalists and chairborn generals to not suck in their in-depth discussions on the Internet".




Chapter 1: Where to look, what to see.


T-64 - The Ugly Kharkovite tank that doesn't work 


   We will begin with T-64, a Kharkovite attempt to make a tank, which was so successful that Ural started to work on their replacement for T-64 known as T-72. Forget about different models of T-64, let's see what is similar between all of them.










   Almost all T-64s have 1 thing in common - chassis. It includes Kharkovites-made suspension and Khrakovites-made engine compartment. Let's begin with suspension!



   Look at those puny all-metal stamped aluminium rollers with huge gaps between each other, those are rollers not for a real tank! 




   They are so narrow! Definitely to work as self-digging knifes when tank lose tracks, to make tank stuck in the even smallest amount of dirt. Who thought that this laughable design will work well on a combat vehicle fighting off-road? Only those dirty crazy Kharkovites!




   Look and remember those puny rollers for APCs that somebody mounted on 40 tons tank! Central hexahedron (3) with 6 bolts, 10 slight cavities/ round "dents" (2) around it just to increase a price of each roller so Kharkovites could take more money from country and visible swing arm (1) that holds this engineers metal joke - they are give away of T-64 tank.


   But what if you can't see sides? Well, our guide got you covered here!

   From the rear you are looking for 2 things:



1 is engine exhaust, it is wide and located almost on top of the engine compartment rear plate, and it looks like harmonica, which is probably what was used to reverse-engineer by lazy Kharkovites.

2 is engine compartment rear plate, there is not much details on it if it is T-64. This is usual for T-64 because of their crazy engine that only mad man could mount inside of the tank. 


   From the front you are also looking at 2 visible details:



   Luna IR light (1) is located on the left part of the tank (if we are looking from the tank) and single driver periscope (2), as Party told - for each driver - a periscope.


   Not only visible featues can help you to identify this terrible tractor that was disguised as a tank - the engine sound of it will inform everybody around that this vehicle is near you!




   If you hear sounds similar to sounds of Soviet motor bicycle - that is either Soviet motor bicycle or T-64 (which is not that different from Soviet motorbicycle speaking between us). 


   Was it hard? No! To spot dirty Kharkovite T-64 - look at rollers, if they are puny and gaps between them are big = T-64. If from the rear you see wide grills on upper part of rear plate = T-64 (except T-80UD). If Luna IR light is on the left side of turret (looking from T-64) and periscope for driver is one and only per Party request = T-64 (with exception of first model of T-64 and Ukrainian T-64s, which our incrtedible guide will may or may not bother to cover in next chapters).







T-72 - the Mighty weapon of Workers and Peasants to smash westerners


   Unlike tank look-alike, made by Kharkovites mad mans, T-72 is true combat tank to fight with forces of evil like radical moderate barbarians and westerners. Thats why we need to learn how identify it from T-64 and you should remember it's frightening lines!






   Look at this suspension - this is how a real tank suspension looks like! Look at those big wide powerfull rollers to support armor and weapons of Mighty T-72:



   T-72 rollers is different from T-64s, even if (1) is still hexahedron, T-72 desingers didn't wanted to be like dirty Kharkovites, so they made a detail different by adding a big bulge in the center. Not feeling enough, they added 6 additional bolts (2) around center 6 bolts, just to be sure that Kharkovite tank parts are not compatable with their mighty tank! But this was not enough, so Ural workers added a rubber bands (3), to gain superior riding comfort for proletariat crew, compared to those barbaric Kharkovites, that force true socialists and defenders of the Fatherland to ride in the tank with all-metal rollers! How could Soviet leaders not see such obvious attempt of sabotage of Soviet army fighting capabilities - using all-metal rollers in a modern tank?! Only Ural workers are true socialists making their best to propel Soviet army into the bright Future of Communism in rollers covered in rubber!


   From the rear:



1 is empty, nothing intresting, just armor and usefull tools, like every tank should have.

2 - see round armor plate in the middle with 5 big manly bolts holding it? This is give away of the T-72 - it is internal fan armor cover.


   Because T-72 engine is battle-proven diesel based on legendary V-2 engine from GLORIOUS KV-1, instead of small engine with giant airfilters that nullify advantages of smaller engine and doesn't fix disadvantages of that crazy engines that only out of their minds Kharkovites could use for a combat vehicle that was expected to fight the Last war of Humanity, we should also know engine compartment batter than T-64's engine deck.




   Engine exhaust (1) is located on the left spectrum of political views side of the tank, with air intakes (2) sucking air to keep capitalist-hating engine alive to propel Soviet army into bourgeois army and crush them with mighty rollers with rubber bands to increase comfort of the crews and those, who are crushed. Used air is pushed out of the tank via grills (3), to warm up atmosphere and to make green Euroweaklings cry.


  From the front:


A Soviet soldier stopping T-72s from premature invasion of nearby capitalist "freethinking" decadent oppression state.


   Luna IR light is on the right side of the tank turret, to make driver exit much safer, as he doesn't need to be in front of the tank co-axial MG, unlike those Kharkovite crappy tanks that don't care about Soviet soldiers! And a single driver periscope, as Party promised!



   A roar of T-72 diesel engine sounds like what normal tank should have, instead of engines, stolen from your local motorbike gang. 


   So, to spot T-72 look for mighty rollers to crush enemies, IR light on the right with engine exhaust on the left side, poluting air with particalce of Socialism, that will infect lungs of EuroWeaklings airheads, and big round armored cover on the rear, to hold a powerfull airsystem fan inside of T-72. If fan is left without big chunk of stell holding it in place, it will fly right out of engine compartment towards suprised heads of nearby owners of the means of production that are not under Proletariat State control, chopping their heads to benefit the opressed Working class! 






The GLORIOUS T-80 - a Weapon to Destroy and Conquer bourgeois countries and shatter westerners army


   And now we are looking at the Pride of Party and Soviet army, a true tank to spearhead attacks on decadent westerners, a tank that will destroy countries by sucking their military budgets and dispersing their armies in vortex of air, left from high-speed charge by the GLORIOUS T-80!


The T-80 shooting down jets by hitting them behind the horizont 



The T-80U use Levitation device on pure communism to glide above ground and see end of capitalists invaders hordes



T-80U making their way to US soil by driving out of a pass through planet core of the Earth from USSR bases to US lands of immorality. 


    T-80 is last and most advanced Soviet MBT, a true pinnacle of Soviet Planned Economy and result of wise policy of the Party. Soviet Guards needed a Superior weapon to wipe out hordes of imperialists, which herded their workers and peasants into Malls and Hypermarkets to suck their hard-earned money for another shiny thing that they don't need and distract their attention by TV talk shows about their cheating husbands and elections of another man, who already was payed by capitalists and exploiters of working class! The only way to combat sex and drugs culture of the West is hard steel and gas turbines of the East!


   In order to create a superior weapon to T-72 (yes, there is such a weapon!) Leningrad designers mounted a more powerfull engine - the gas turbine engine, to their new tank. This engine was able to propel that 45 tons tank to higher speed than average Soviet worker car, so engineers of the best Design bureau of the Soviet Union created new suspension, even superior to T-72 suspension!




   This suspension is at first looks similar to T-72's, but make no mistake - it is different. Let's look at T-80 rollers first!  






   Central bulge is still here, but now with even more bolts around it - 10 + another 10! This roller also have rubber bands, but T-80 was so faster than both T-64 and T-72 that creators added rubber on tracks too! T-80 is charging to future of Earth-wide Communism on rollers covered in rubber moving at trucks, covered in rubber for smoother ride to Ultimate social system that Humanity ever known!




   Not only T-80 have different rollers, but they are located differently from T-64's puny jokes and T-72's imperialists skull crushers:



  Note distinctive "paired" rollers in the middle. If you notice them your brains will "sort out" 4 others in their own "pairs" like this:


   Even if rollers in pair 3 have relatively big gap between each other, this will not break overal pairing of rollers. This will help to you to tell T-80 apart from others, less powerfull tools of spreading socialism into your bedrooms. If your brain can't do that - ask your doctor if you had a brain injury, or you are sick with the "Arrogance of Westerners" syndrome, discovered by great doctor of the Soviet Union - awarded by the Order of Stalin Ivan Milyukhin Robinovichev.


   From the rear:



   From the rear you are looking at engine exhaust (1), located closer to the center of rear armor plate. This exhaust in bigger in vertical plane and narrower in horizontal plane than T-64's, and it is also located lower that T-64's exhaust. T-80's superior exhaust is much closer to square than T-64's badly-designed and poorly made harmonica that works like exhaust only because Kharkovites drilled it enough times to let gases out of it to poison warriors of Motherland with their partially burned mixture of exhaust gases and diesel fuel fumes.


   T-80 superior engine, as all real Russians, can use vodka to work and it needed different engine compartment than Kharkovites-made one, so they designed a new engine compartment:



   And again, you are looking for 1 thing - air intakes (1) that on the GLORIOUS T-80 are located near turret rear. The rest of engine deck is flat and can work as sleeping place for soldiers of the victorious Soviet Army, keeping them warm in cold nights of the Cold war. 


   From the front:



   Because Soviet Guardsmens are best warriors of the Socialism, the Party leadership created a new 5 year plan to give to each guardsmen tank driver not 1, not 2, but 3 vision periscopes (2),to increase ability of drivers to see next capitalist, running in fear, to crush him with T-80s unstoppable trucks. To help to see capitalistic profit-soaked vehicles and profit-dreaming faces of imperialists in the night, T-80 is equipped with Luna IR light (1), mounted on the right side of the turret (looking from the tank). And here, the Kirov factory workers care for Guardsmen can be seen - Luna light block exit for driver to the right from gun, so drivers could exit tank on the left side of main gun, without co-axial MG looking in their backs with it's cold and possibly ready to fire barrel, something that saboteurs from Kharkov ignored in their careless mock-up of the real tank.


   Another way to ID T-80 is sound of furious GTD-1000 or GTD-1250 engines, very characteristic and will remind sounds of airplanes for many people.






   A whistling sound of pure hatred to American and NATO invaders, it can't be mistaken with sound of Kharkovites-build motorbicycle engine of the T-64 and roar of T-72 Ural diesel.  


   So, to spot Superior tank you should see if big wide rollers have too many bolts and if they are arranged in 3 "pairs" per side. From the front, 3 driver periscope will give away a Superior Leningrad tank, while a big squar-ish exhaust, located near the center of rear armor plate, will indicate a gas turbine engine, that only Superior tanks like T-80 use (unlike inferior T-80UD, a Kharkovite abomination and attempt to violate the Spirit of the Communism, the power of T-80 ideology by putting their revolting 5TD/6TD engines that were created during schizophrenic seizures of the Main Kharkovite madman).





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Kharkovite invention - 64.

How to efficiently waste resources of Soviet Union.


   Finally, we came to T-64 section. I know that it is first specific tank type related post in the thread when you scroll it, but only after T-72 and T-80 section I am doing T-64 part, and for a reason. More information on this Kharkovite invention to describe it properly was demanded. A secret knowledge was needed for this task.


   Before going into the abyss of Kharkovite treachery, a holy blessing and protection of the spirits of ancestors was needed to survive this dirty trip. My destination was prospekt Stachek 47/Strikes Avenue 47, a holy place of birth of T-80, Kirovskiy factory location. My hand touched a factory wall and my lips gently whispered holy words of blessing to Glorious T-80, words of curses to terrible spawn of Morozov’s twisted mind, words of renunciation from opposite piston diesel engines. “Do you believe in gas turbines, young communist?” “Yes, I do believe in superiority of gas turbines, holy spirit of SKB-2 and Kirovskiy Factory”. Blessing was granted and tough trip started from old walls of a factory that saw Revolution and flames of Great Fatherland War.

   “Kharkovite scum of course tried to conceal their attempts to sabotage Soviet system” holy voice whispered in my mind. “You need to uncover their deceitful claims of superiority of T-64 and their vile fantasies of selling Soviet Rodina property and achievements of working class to rotting capitalist West” confidently said the voice. “Trying to uncover their lies by simply showing terrible results of their attempts to create a fighting machine for Soviet proletariat is not enough! You need to show their true promptings and their deceptive manipulations of people of Soviet Union and members of Communist Party!”.

   “KGB” i said to myself, “they were collecting information about all anti-Soviet elements, and maybe they managed to get some sort of information on Morozov’s sect, what they were doing”. Target now was clear for me.


   Museum of political history of Russia. It was located inside of an old Tsarist homestead, build for a ballerina (and a monarchist whore). This museum had a collection of documents showing that Soviets often knew exactly what anti-Soviet elements were saying during their secret meetings. But all displayed papers, yellow and worn out by flow of time, were about “intelligentsia” attempts to undermine Proletariat Revolution by their poisonous poems.

   I needed more. “My PutinTroll ID card may be useful here” my voice sounded enthusiastic. An inconspicuous staff door was found near museum wardrobe with clear sign of PutinTroll access system controlling it. My hand pulled out a small card from a pocket, with “Lenin Banner 2nd Special Chairborn Putinskaya Assault Keyboard Unit” clearly written on one side of that piece of cheap plastic. I didn’t knew what level of access was needed to get inside, but attempt was worth a risk. Card was inserted into device but door did not reacted. Red light was looking at me from card reader, coldly answering to my confusion. “Heh, strange that my card doesn’t work here. Museum staff access card is needed, for sure”. Sounds of steps distracted me from watching in anger at card reader. “What are you doing here” said security guard. “Was looking for a toilet, could find it anywhere, thought that there is maybe a bathroom for staff that I can use.” Guy gave me tired look, “first floor, left from the entrance”. I went down, so at least it would look like I was telling truth. “Maybe this old lady in checkroom have proper card?”. As it was summer time, there was nobody in checkroom, and old lady was drowsy. Perfect. Her card was sticking out of side pocket, and few seconds later it was in my hands. Thrilled and cautious in the same time, I went to other stairs, expecting that this corridor may connect them and have big room for storage or for service personnel of Kshesinskaya. Door with card reader confirmed this assumption. Card reader mechanism grabbed card that was inserted into it and a 2-3 second later opened metallic door.


   It was hard to see inside, as only light from hall, coming through doorway was only source of light here. Flashlight on my phone, made by Chinese communists and sold under South Korean capitalists brand was helpful here. Communist-made and Korean-sold flashlight revealed an old corridor with series of doors. “Kazakhstan” was written above a nearest door.

   “They are probably keeping documents here, divided by country, so when ordered by leadership, museum staff can put out or pull out from public part of museum documents with appropriate content. Don’t like country – put out bad docs about them” I told myself. “Need to find Ukraine”. Door was found, with almost no signs of wear. Piece of plastic managed to open it as well and a cool air hit me like a wall. Hundreds of shelves were visible in dim light of dying bulb. «This is excellent! Need to find a proper folder, though. This building is sure big, especially for a court ballerina”.

   After about an hour of searching a pack of folders with “Reports on Morozov’s group assemblies, for comrade Serov” written by a typewriter on it, was found. “This is it!”. I impatiently opened it, with hundreds of pages of text in typewriter font flashing before my eyes. “Everything is here!”



Committee of State Security under the Council of Ministers of the USSR. 1955, Decem...





For comrade Serov…


.. Morozov appears to periodically assemble a group of engineers from Kharkov on his property, where in private condition they exchange anti-Soviet ideas…

as source reported among those speeches Morozov expressed his wish to sabotage Soviet Army capabilities and spend resources of country ineffectively, which was met positively by attendees.

[hand written]

Put a device there, I need a tape of that before showing anything to comrade Khrushchev. Did Morozov lost his mind? Recordings of their speeches give to ...



Committee of State Security under the Council of Ministers of the USSR. 1956 March...


...full transcript of those meetings is in Attachment 1, some excerpts:

- Those Moskovites are crazy, they want to send a device into space on top of giant fueltank with gigantic rocket engine attached to that hideous device.

- I wish it exploded during launch!

- Maybe we can make it to..

- We don’t have any rocketeers here, Mikola

- Yeah. So what we can do to hurt Moscovite thieves? They are stealing our wealth, preventing us from becoming rich, like those bourgeoisie from Paris or London!

- Majority of people here are engineers, and we managed to get inside of Commies weapon industry. We can make them spend their money on our inventions!

- But we need to make them not work, you know, so those nuts will not destroy Paris or London, or we will not have a place to run after their payments!


- I propose my idea to make a battle tank, we already discussed this, it should have a lot of advanced features so it will be easy to sell it to Army idiots, but we will make it unreliable enough so they would spend a lot on “fixing” those “problems”


- This is how you plan to get a new dacha, Oleksiy?


- They will spend a 5-year plan worth of money to make it at least work, but all this time they will not be able to attack better countries then their own!


- Give me this horilka, Sasha

- I sure like yours foreign tape recorder, where you got it?



- Most sophisticated part of any vehicle is engine and suspension. We need to make them as bad as possible, but not too terrible, or they will just reject it.

- Yeah, but we also can put more sophistication on this design. What we can make more complicated there?

- Remember Heavy tanks competition? Several of those boxes had some sort of mechanized loading systems. Maybe we can make our own, but bigger and more complicated?

- Let’s also make it steel-only armor! Taking into consideration that Westerners will adopt new and better weapons to the time when we will manage to “fix” all problems, tank armor will not be adequate and because of our over-optimization of weight and volume in our design, they will have hard time to modernize it! And again, this will ensure that will not able to launch any assault operations and start another world war, as our tanks would be always “not combat ready”

- Yes, but just enough “not combat ready”, we will make it balance between “battle capable” and “not capable” so they will be trapped and chained by our design for many years in attempts to finally make it capable of spreading their stupidity!



Committee of State Security under the Council of Ministers of the USSR. 1956, April….




For comrade Serov…


it appears that this group of dissidents have somebody in upper echelons of our Party, Ivan Alexandrovich. Further investigation can become a subject of political attention. A small excerpt from recorded speech during their recent meeting:

- So what about your Patron in Communist party higher-ups?

- He made a report on Joseph Stalin’s cult of personality of and the mass repressions few days ago. 2 years ago he gave to Ukrainian SSR Crimea, for those who did not understood what character I am speaking about. He is reliable enough for our plans.

- Would he support our proposal for Soviet Army? Without his support somebody in Politburo can rather easily push us aside.

- Yes, he would. We started work on new tank that we will push down Army throat, while we will make them want more of that! Generally we already gave this vehicle all we need, it is a matter of construction and fine-tunning it to be bad enough.

- That would cost a lot of money for Communists, haha!

- Not only that, but we will try to make our design to be unified tank of Soviet army, so other factories will produce it as well! Nobody will be able to compete with us!

- Currently T-54 and T-55 are enough for Army, but as our Patron said, Army will be interested in new tank by early 60s. We have about 5-7 years before this project starts, so our group needs to be silent about this subject from now, especially after subject will become political.



   “Khrushchev! It was him who helped to push T-64!” “T-64 wasn’t adopted by 1964, but serial production of first vehicles was already started. About 90 of them were made, and Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU dismissed him from the post of First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1964 as well! Probably after seeing how terrible this tank was, that was pushed by Khrushchev, they finally managed to attract more political figures on their side and throw Nikita out. They understood his Kharkovite treacherous nature and that's why he wasn't allowed to participate in political work! It all makes sense now!”


T-64A - first Kharkovite to be adopted by Soviet Army and produced in numbers

Probably because it work, sometimes





   After going through a pile of documents, i found another pile of old paper documents, about T-64A. Kharkovite contras tried to force Soviet army to adopt their terrible tractor T-64, disguised as combat vehicle, in 1964. But only in 1966 it was adopted in very small numbers. Only T-64A managed to become a serial-produced vehicle, unlike T-64, which was more like a prototype and money grab from reptile Kharkovites scum. 

   T-64A was equipped with 125 mm caliber gun, unlike a previous attempt to suck resources from USSR. From other models of T-64 that some of you, capitalist, can see in the field even today, it is different by few features:


   Optical rangefinder was used on this Kharkovite-designed tractor on punny rollers, with second optical lens (1) visible on right side of the Kharkovite-designed turret. Gunner sight (2) is narrow, with small-ish secondary/night sight behind it mounted with optical observation device near it. Turret armor (3) is generally naked, with nothing on right side.



   On right side of the turret there is also a box, right next to optical rangefinder lens, which will help to distinguish this Kharkovite vomit from the True Soldier of Soviet Rodina T-72 Ural and Red Banner Guards Warrior T-80.



T-64B - T-72 spirit is haunting Kharkovites

Make a tank that work, damn Kharkovites!






   Going through rest of documents made me understand what those treacherous capitalist-minded people wanted to do. But somewhere in early 1970s they heard  that Ural workers were finalising their proletarian-minded capitalist-smasher and they started to panic that Ural engineers will dethrone sweet talking Kharkovite traitors. Thats why they launched efforts to slightly upgrade their T-64 tractor on puny rollers, but instead of giving it properly working components, they just glued new gizmos. They just tried to get more money from Soviet hard working people instead of making a true weapon to smash through mercenaries of capitalist bankers and big company owners!

   Everything is now making sense... Kharkovite scum sucked money out of rest of USSR by making a tank full of new costly parts, but it was just Minimal Value Product if costs were compared to results! They were getting money because those profit-minded Kharkovite snake was smooth-talking and prizing overpriced abilities of their weapon beyond reason, making generals exciting about their product... Soviet people were not used to encounter this level of capitalist greed wrapped in lie and didn't manage to see reality.

   T-64B was a good example - instead of making tank work, fixing problems with engine and servicing of this thing they added radio-commanded GL-ATGM, new sight with laser rangefinder some smoke grenade launchers. Radio-command GL-ATGM is self-defeating concept, as GL-ATGMs were needed to reach for further targets than wihat normal rounds could achieve, but radiocommand becomes less accurate with range. Сunning Kharkovites traitors of Soviet Ideas!



   To spot terrible creation of Morozov's sectarians T-64B you need to look at 3 parts. 1 is antenna for radio-commanded GL-ATGMs, replaced optical rangefinder on previous model. On B1 submodel this box is not present, but neither is optical rangefinder. is new gunner sight, that became wider and more box-shaped compared to older models. are Tucha smoke grenade launchers, sometimes not presented.


   By getting all this money they accumulated a lot of wealth and in late 80s, when they manage to steal Holy T-80 design and cram into it their repulsive engine, they decided to get out of USSR and make money on their own, as their tractor was pushed out of Soviet Armed forces by True warrior of Rodina - T-72 and Ardent follower of the ideals of Kirov - comrade T-80. And this is why Ukraine became independent!  Morozov's gang could no longer sell their creation to Communist that manage to see through their terrible profit making lies and decided to sell their abomination to rest of the world, they thought thet their ability to push their hideous armored vehicle is good enough for international market.

   Thoughts, ideas, connections were going through my head, fast. Everything is now making sense... hidden processes and changes became clear as ideals of young Komsomolet. Khrushchev helped to push T-64 AND he made Crimea part of Ukraine! Kharkov lost their ability to sell tanks to USSR and wanted to get out of Iron Curtain to make profits by selling disgraced corps of T-80 with Kharkovite-designed and Kharkovite-made engine world-wide... This means...everything bad happened in Ex-Soviet Russia and Ukraine were results of irrestrainable Kharkovites greed and undisputed levels of treachery of Lenins ideas



   Traitor - 64 Belogvardeets, now i know your TRUE name!




T-64BV - Conceal this tractor with explosives, maybe NATO will not notice how bad it is!

Kharkovites last original creation!





   Soviet army had enough of T-64 tractor. Document pages were flying in front of my eyes....T-64 production would be stopped very soon and Kharkovites were in panic and started to think about how they can disfigure other's Design Bureaus work. T-72 with puny rollers? T-80 with Kharkovites-made opposing piston diesel engine? Make a new tank that can't traverse it's turret to sides and have 2 Kharkovite engines in it? Create a MBT with autoloader so sophisticated that factory and bureau will feed on Soviet Union military budget for decades just in order to fix it? All ideas were there, floating in general swamp of Kharkovites treachery of country, Party and Working class. They already started to push idea of how much better T-80 will be with their diesel atrocity, how much less fuel it will use... but before going for Best Soviet tank, The Pride of the Communist Guardsman, Kharkovites were forced by Soviet army to make their last version of their tractor - T-64BV, with new explosive reactive armor Kontakt-1 installed.

   Unlike T-72 and T-80, T-64 never received more advanced Kontakt-5, because Army finally stopped a waste stream of T-64s shortly after. So T-64BV is the last serially produced tractor on puny aluminium naked thin rollers with opposite piston 5 cylinder act of engineering vandalism propelling this hideous uncomfortable, dangerous to crew, loud, unreliable, outdated tank.


tXurmdI.jpg   In order to identify BV you need to look at usual signs of Kharkovite degeneracy of model B but covered with ERA blocks (1) on sides, UFP, turret cheeks and turret roof to conceal their awfull lines from eyes of the peasants and workers, not ready to see such abomination. Unlike T-80BV's ERA layout, frontal turret ERA blocks arrangement on T-64BV have 2 ERA modules on upper slope and don't have "ladder" like shape.  




   Traitor-64BV continues to exist and do it's real job intendent by Kharkovite infiltrators of Communism ideology - destroy remains of Soviet Union achievements, continue to devide and destroy it's Rodina. It happily will serve to all kinds of capitalist exploitators and imperialists invaders and the only way to stop it is to destroy all T-64BVs and replace them with T-80Us!





    T-80Us fuel consumption will make nation think twice about using them, forcing those people to use those tanks only in really bad situations, only in wars for survival! Long live True Hero of Soviet Union - comrade T-80U, real Guardsmen of February Revolution and Soviet Union, warrior of Socialism and fighter for worker and peasant's dream world of all-planet Communism!


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T-72: Ural workers cleaning the mess after Kharkovites failed with their tractor!

How to make a tank version of AK, by Ural. 

   After initial testing of T-64 Army started to understand the scale of failure, how utterly unworkable this abomination was in majority of Soviet Fatherland. The engine had to be warmed before ignition like Italian supercar for rich Italian mafia members that oppress simple Italian workers and parasitize the working class! How could they even think about making such engine? The puny rollers weight distribution and driving comfort was terrible, and noisy as well. Those Kharkovites tried to ensure that Westerners army could track T-64-equipped armies from miles away even without direct line of sight! Traitors!

   And if tank lost tracks in combat and Soviet army engineers tried to pull damaged T-64 out of the battle, those punny rollers just buried themselfs because how thin they were, working as a self-entranching knifes and by this completely jamming suspension and not allowing to pull tank from the battlefield, just to ensure that Westerners will win! Those Kharkovites know no shame for their traitor rollers!

   Only Ural is really working for liberation of oppressed workers in the world by making a tank that any peasent and factory worker can use to throw off the shackles of capitalism from his hard working hands!

T-72 Ural - a T-64 done right... i mean.. left!




   Army understood that this abomination - the T-64 - can't work in majority of the Fatherland so they decided to ask Ural to step in and help the country and cause of Lenin and make a tank that had all fancy features that Kharkovites promised for T-64 but designed not by politically unreliable people that made a mechanically unreliable vehicle to undermine achievements of Socialism and current 5 year plan. 

   A true communists of Ural took a task and delivered everything Army asked - a reliable and powerfull diesel engine that doesn't have cylinders arranged by a 5 years old boy who like to smash his toys against each other head on; a big and powerfull 125 mm smoothbore main gun; and of course rollers, covered in rubber for ultimate comfort and stealth! And proud workers of Ural called that tank a T-72 Ural, a tank that will start a big family of powerfull tanks that will fight all over the world!

   How you can distinguish a T-72 Ural from others, more younger versions? Easy!


   A single driver periscope (1) will be used on all T-72 tanks and T-72 based vehicle as it is economical and good enough for driver, you can equip a lot of tanks with those periscope and still complete your part of 5 year plans!

   Luna IR (2) light is located on the right part of the turret, together with coaxial MG, unlike T-64's left location of IR lamp. 

   T-72 Ural doesn't have anything on turret frontal armor (3) with exception of Luna, only naked steel to resist capitalist-made profit-making projectiles with power of superior communist steel and a bit of sand of Motherland, soaked with Nazi fascist blood.

   And of course, a single-pin tracks (4) indicates that it is an old vehicle, the 2-pin incredible high-tech tracks were only discovered during creation of Glorious T-80.

   But what if you see a left side of this tank, and it doesn't have IR lamp? Well, that it is even easier to distinguish T-72 Ural from others tanks!


   A high-tech optical rangefinder (1) helps to peasant gunner to measure distance to NATO invaders and accurately hit them, while the crew is still protected by naked steel (2) made by Ural!

   So to spot a superior T-72 Ural you are looking for a T-72 equipped with IR light, optical rangefinder, naked turret and usually a single-pin tracks with side square rubber skirts (if it is an old photo). 




T-72A - how to decrease amount of capitalism in your sights by shooting lasers!

   Ural workers, after creating and launching T-72 in production, never stopped to improve their tank in order to not give traitorous Kharkovites any ability to sell more of their sabotage tractor on puny rollers disguised as a combat vehicle. In order to achieve even better combat capabilites against decadent profit-only-dreaming capitalists Ural installed better sights with laser rangefinder and FCS on their T-72, which became a T-72A.





So, how you can tell if you look at T-72 Ural or T-72A? Main difference is on the turret:


   True socialists of the Ural understood a main problem with optical rangefinder - a worker and soldier of Fatherland had to match 2 images of capitalist in his sight in order to find a range to him. Not only you should have looked at decadent westerner for prolonged period of time during combat, but you were looking at 2 images of him! It is 2 times more decadency per capitalist that free komsomolets should have witness during combat and what is allowed by Party and Narkom of Health!

   In order to decrease hazardous and health problems of seeing 100% more concentrated capitalism per capitalist, Soviet engineers created a ray emitter that could measure distance to enemies by shooting red communism laser to their fat bodies and tell exact range to increase accuracy of firing main gun! This deivce was installed to gunner sight, which mean that second optical device was not needed, and it was removed, leaving only hard Ural steel (1) to protect Defenders of Soviet Rodina. 

   Another modification was smoke grenade launchers (2) on turret frontal armor, that would help in combat to Soviet Army tank crews in their fight against clearly inferior American M60s and their Europen lackey's Leopards 1s. 

   Also, side frontal-facing skirts were removed and just rubber skirt (3) was installed as there were no need in those. Ural workers continue to optimise tank designes to better execute a 5 years plans!

   Later versions of T-72A have different location for their grenade launchers in order to make a driver exit from vehicle easier, a clear example how much Ural factory workers care about warriors of the Soviet Army:







T-72AV - a T-72 with strong explosive flavor.

Choke on that, dirty capitalists!


T-72AVs fighting decadent Saudi-capitalists backed arab-islamic fascists



   After creation of T-72A Ural workers did not lay on their backs full of pride of their achievements, they continued their work to improve T-72 in order to reach Socialistic future!

   New innovation came from unexpected place - the Berlin wall! During 80s Soviet leadership was thinking how to prevent Western spies and agitators from entering Free Socialistic part of Germany. Answer was simple - build a trans-European wall from northen to southern coasts of free Socialistic part of Europe in order to keep decadent filth out of minds of peasant and workers.

   But there was a problem - radical democrat agitators would try to climd over this wall to get to unprepared to their propaganda minds of citizens of new Socialistic Republics. In order to prevent that, comrades from NII Stali proposed to use bricks filled with movement-sensative explosive in external part of the wall, which would launch spies and agitators from the wall back into their profit-obsessed outdated societies in a moment when they try to climb over it! Because those bricks with explosive were activated by a contact with a surface of the brick, this system was named Kontakt. During full testing of this innovative idea of keeping westerners out of Free part of Europe, interesting side effect was discovered - those bricks were capable to prevent wall breeches by rockets, even with HEAT anti-tank warheads! 

   Results of those tests reached engineers in Ural, which argued to use those bricks as additional protection for their mighty T-72, instead of wasting them on gaint walls. During discussion of this idea at Congress of the Communist Party it was decided that this wall would also block refugees from decadet countries from entering Socialistic world, leaving them in those terrible places suffering terrible TV shows, commercial brakes and paid healthcare system. It was decided to use produced bricks for T-72A instead, and this is how T-72A Vzrivnoy was born!




   T-72AV can be distinguished from T-72A by 3 easy to spot differences - Kontakt-1 ERA bricks on the turret (1) mounted in a V-shaped layout with a tip aimed at capitalist hords, ERA bricks on the UFP (2) and ERA on the side of the hull (3) covering 2/3 of the tank side. 

   Moreover, T-72AV had 2 rows of ERA, protecting commander hatch (4), with additional ERA coverage of the turret roof and over the gun mount (5).



   If you think that T-72AV is T-72A with ERA blocks mounted rather randomly, looking at those photos, you will be right as those are just T-72As that drove through pre-build section of Great Communism Wall, while covered in glue.




   Kontakt-1 worked not only against HEAT anti-tank rockets, but it was very capable in it's primary role as anti-spy and anti-agitators protection! No Chamberlain-dispatched spy or Nixon-payed agitator managed to sniff out any information on T-72AV. Kontakt-1 was so effective that incompetent Westerners didn't managed to get name of the vehicle righ! A true success of comrades from NII Stali and Ural workers!




T-72B obr 1985 - communism-guided gun-launchable anti-capitalism missiles!

Extending long arm of Kremlin

   After yet another victorious modification of T-72, Ural didn't stopped to advance design of best Soviet tank. Workers now layed their eyes on more advanced weapons than just a cannon shooting dumb projectiles - Guided missiles was a new target in next 5 year plan for Ural engineers!




   Party ordered Ural to continue to improve T-72AV, which Ural did in form of T-72B - a more advanced capitalist crusher than any T-64 made by treacherous Kharkovites! Ural workders added protection to hull frontal armor, new turret with increased frontal protection featuring NERA (Never Ever Rely on Americans), in addition to ERA of the T-72AV to stop or deflect profit margin projectiles from bodies of Fatherland defenders! 

   But true komsomoltsy of Ural knew that Socialism should suppress inferior forms of economic order like capitalism in all areas - and maximum range of accurate anti-tank fire was one of most important! In order to achive that workers and peasants of UKBTM decided to use anti-tank guided missiles to reach all imperialists on a battlefield on which soldier and liberator of Soviet army can lay on eyes. If Soviet warrior can see imperialist aggressor - tank should be able to defeat that invader!

   Workers and peasants of UKBTM made modification to gunner sight so now it was able to not only shoot a single ray of communism to measure distance, but to create a whole tonnel made out of pure Party-approved communism rays to guide a missile through it right to a mercenaries of decadent West at distance up to 4 km and penetrate their armor that was cheaply made for a big profit! Western exploitation of worker class will be closer to defeat with new longer and powerfull arm of Soviet liberator tankers! European thin-skinned cats will be penetrated easily with this new armor-punching fist of Soviet Rodina!

   In order to spot new T-72B and tell apart it from T-72AV a true komsomolets need to look at the turret:


   Workers and peasants of Ural changed layout of ERA on turret front (1), it is no longer V-shaped (which was used on T-72AV) as turret armor was improved and became larger, ERA blocks in V-type loyout will be in the way of driver. It have distinct lower layer of ERA blocks mounted horizontally, while upper blocks - vertically. Secondary/night sight (2) of T-72B is also bigger (although not every T-72B obr 1985 have those mounted and may use older models), with added device to open armored cover from inside of turret for decreasing danger of exposure of Soviet warriors to capitalist advertising in European towns, decadent teachings of consumerism and dust from nuclear fury of Brezhnev! 


   From all angles hull have no easily-noticeable features that will help to tell it apart from T-72AV. Hull still have big ERA side protectin against coward mercenaries of West! 



   This T-72B obr 1985 have lower part of turret ERA taken off, but you can still see rails for ERA blocks. Smoke grenade launchers and ERA layout on turret turret is similar to T-72AV, so to spot T-72B only turret front is needed, comrade. 





T-72B obr 1989 - spreading communism with explosives

A mobile komsomolets maker!

   With creation of T-72B obr 1985 and Kontakt-1 explosive reactive capitalist deterrent, Ural engineers entered a new 5 year plan with new ideas of how to improve the T-72 and help to Soviet Army in their fight against every bit of capitalism all around the world. T-72AV was able to launch agitators and RPGs back to places where they come from with introduced revolutionary Kontakt-1 ERA, T-72B obr 1985 showed a long arm to reach thick bellies of the bourgeoisie at long ranges with GL-ATGMs, what else a new model of the T-72 could do to spread a fair social system better?




   Workers and engineers of Ural were working hard on next model of T-72B after model 1985 entered service. Main goals were to increase protection of Soviet warriors against profit-making APFSDS projectiles and to spread Socialism better and deeper into lands of European weaklings, who can't fight without their American patrons!

   It was obvious for Soviet Rodina inventors that adding more steel and passive armor on their tanks like Western engineers done was not an answer to Communist Party task. If Western designers were not oppressed by class of thieves and exploiters, who forced workers to add more weight so company owners can sell more materials, support equipment, fuel and many other things to icnrease their profits, they would see that the only way to increase protection is to go futher into field of explosive reactive armor!



   Comrades from NII Stali were working on communism ideas spreading device that was planned to be launched via ICBM and spread a complete collection of the works of Lenin over decadent territory. After launch a Re-entry Socialist Spreading Vehicle rushed through enemy AA defence systems, after which it landed on ground, in capitalist-oppressed towns and villages. The SSV couldn't spread Lenin's work during flight, as they would be damaged by air friction during re-entry or by AA fire later, so NII Stali inventors decided to spread Socialist compositions and scientific works on communism in form of written text after the SSV landed. In order to spread those works over bigger territory engineers decided to use explosives to proppel Socialist Ideas deeper into capitalist heads! As it was obvious for creators of this system, Socialist ideas should have been written on something more sturdier than a piece of paper to survive explosive acceleration of Communism ideaology! Thats why steel plates with Lenin's appeals to workers and peasants of the world were chosen for this important task. Each plate was loaded into a box with explosive layer under it and after SSV landed, explosive tiles that covered whole body of SSV were detonated, ensuring widespread of communist ideaology in targeted territory!


   Ural comrades saw a great potential in this glorious technology for Soviet tank designs, as it would work well with already created and used in service Kontakt-1 anti-agitator and anti-HEAT ERA by adding conversion into Communism value to each block of ERA! After each attempt to destroy Soviet army Glorious Steel Warriors, capitalists will not only fail because of ERA, but ERA will launch steel plates with Lenin's works back at them and convert imperialist aggressors into true komsomoltsy ready to fight against exploiters of poor workers! Not only that, but after some tuning of written text on those plates, this creation became capable of decreasing profit-making APFSDS projectiles power by sheer hatred to idea of profit in written Lenin's works on those flyer plates! 

   New ERA design works continued for 4 years, resulting in creation of Kontakt-1+4 = Kontakt-5! 


   After Ural KB engineers and NII Stali inventors done their hard work, Courageous Soviet army received and tested a new and improved model of T-72B, which entered service in 1989 as T-72B, obr.1989, protected by new Kontakt-5 ERA.

   To spot T-72B obr 1989 you need to look for Kontakt-5 ERA, as there were little external differences between T-72B(85) and T-72B(89):



   Hull upper frontal plate (1) received a build-in module of glorious Kontakt-5 ERA, which is very different from Kontakt-1 ERA Berlin brickwall-like looks. V-shaped mudguard on UFP of early T-72s was replaced by simplier straight mud splash protector, to simplify production and decrease price of combat vehicle because Ural was working not for profit, but for Soviet Fatherland!

   Turret frontal armor (2) also was covered by new ERA, mounted in angular V-shaped layout, to increase protection from HEAT and APFSDS rounds, it also increased distance of flyer plate... flight and as a result - increased acreage of Communism ideology spread with each ERA module detonation!

   A single pin tracks (3) will also help to not confuse T-72B obr 1989 from later modifications of T-72B(89). 


   From the side T-72B Obr 1989 also has differences with obr 1985 - instead of Kontakt-1 side ERA covering 2/3 of hull, obr 1989 have 3 Kontakt-5  box-shaped modules per side, to protect tank in 60 degrees arc, because Soviet Generals and Tankers were so good that no capitalist scum would be able to hit Glorious Soviet Armor from the side!


    Sometimes those modules are removed, by mounting points could be left on vehicle. 


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T-80 - The Best tank ever made by USSR.

NOT BY YOU, Kharkovites!




    After everybody understood that Kharkovites can't build a tank that work well enough for the Last War of the Humanity, the Leningrad designers started to work on their view of a battle tank that can actually fight and win. They saw a main problem with T-64 - it was slow, too slow to do the job. What job you may ask? To disperse capitalism particles in the air, of course!


   According to scientific work of the professor Ivan Rasputin Drinkovodkavich the air of the capitalist countries were full of capitalism particles, which would resist incursion of the socialists tanks by creating a strong resistance force and they will block any attempts to build communism in this area, as people will breathe this capitalism-soaked air and this would infect their minds by ideas of free markets and useless things that they usually sell. In order to combat this, a fast-moving tank was needed, that could displace air so fast, that particles of capitalism would be ejected from it and a path for cammunism particles would be open.


   LKZ engineers understood that, and were working hard to build such vehicle, that could destroy westerners mercenary armies, blow away capitalism-infected air and fill it with Particles of Communism. Kirov factory workers also understood that the only way to finally kill Kharkovite abomination was to sabotage it by creating their new tank from the T-64 tractor. And the work began, until in 1976 their first itteration of their new Best tank was adopted by Soviet army!



T-80 (Object 219) - the saboteur, destroyer of the T-64







 First serial produced T-80 were disguised as T-64s so Kharkovites would not understand what is happening. They were thinking that their glory started to spread to Leningradians, but they were wrong! Nobody payed attention to a new hull, as nobody knew how to ID T-64 from not-so-T-64 tanks. Idiots! Leningradians added T-64A turret on top of their new hull, by which they slowly were changing T-64 into their new tank. That turret was a main way to disguise new T-80 to look like T-64!




   This is a turret of the T-64A that was used on first T-80s. (1) is part of rangefinder and (2) is a cut in roof and frontal turret armor for gunner sight. 


   But maskirovka, used by Kirovitsy, did not stopped on using T-64A turrets... look at those T-80s!



   Yes, look at frontal armor - only 1 periscope for a driver! Kirovtsy were playing full-Bagration with such level of deception of Kharkovites and their patrons in power! "But Comrade, you said that all T-80s have 3 driver periscopes!"  Yes, they do, comrades, if we count secondary (small periscopes), which T-64s also have.




   (1) is driver hatch with 2 additional smaller periscopes, which T-64s also had. That big plate wielded to UFP is a result of T-80s upgrade to T-80B level of protection, dear Kirov factory fans.


   Kirovtsy manage to disguise their tank pretty well. And how we will ID it from Kharkovites puke? Only in main way as our guide already covered - by suspension, comrades, Kirov factory did their maskirovka pretty well!



Original T-80, sneaking behind T-64 to bite it and turn into T-80U!






The T-80B (Object 219R) - toppling the T-64 Czar!

(yes, straight to the T-80B, without making T-80A, remember that, Kharkovites)


   It is a time to hit Kharkovites right in their fat belly! Their patrons did not noticed how Leningrad managed to grow a new tank just under their noses! Only Kirov factory knows how to make Best tanks, and not those Kharkovites, who want to sell Socialist achievments of USSR to those soulless Westerners. Leningrad will support the Fatherland with their tanks, superior to those untrustworthy Kharkovites crude creations! And who the hell put 40 tons tank on such puny rollers anyway?!






How we can ID the T-80B from other tanks? It looks like not much changed in it. Kirov factory still plays maskirovka? No! Just a bit of attention will make things clear!




   (1) is 3 periscopes, as Leningrad workers promised to Party, (2) is no longer a rangefinder part, but now it is a radio antenna for Kobra GL-ATGMs, to give to Glorious Soviet Guards tankers a hands long enough to choke a president Nixon right from English Channel! (3) is Luna IR light on the right side of the turret (unlike on T-64), it is there to cut through the darkness of nights and education of people in capitalist countries, as they will definitely not have such civilized public service as a working free night lights as there is no profit in it! Don't forget smoke grenade mortars, mounted on turret frontal armor.




   Note that there is no longer cuts in roof and frontal armor for gunner sight, and turret shape is different from T-64 turrets - frontal armor is closer to vertical, than sloped, showing how advanced T-80B turret was, compared to those funny tanks on little rollers from Kharkov.



   T-80B and T-64B next to each other.









The T-80BV (Object 219RV) - if you kick it, it explode you!

A Hedgehog with explosive needles, try that Reagan!




   Kirov factory knows how to defeat enemy anti-tank weapons that try to explode Socialism-spreading machines of Brezhnev - explode them before they can explode you! Strap Kontakt-1 ERA everywhere and laugh at those puny westerners, freaked out by a tank that kick their shells back at them!


   (1) is Kontakt-1 ERA blocks on turret roof, (2) is V-shaped K-1 ERA, covering turret from profit-making imperialist AP projectiles, (3) is Kontakt-1 protecting frontal hull armor.
   ERA on turret have notable stepped layout in horizontal plane, this will help to tell it apart from Kharkovite T-64BV, which also use Kontakt-1 to cover their shame, only they use different layout. Other than ERA, turret of the T-80BV is same as T-80B externally - radio antenna to choke Nixons and Chamberlains from English channel, no cuts in turret roof for gunner sight, Luna IR light on the right to cut trough darkness of Western countries without public illumination.
   And this is how you ID Superior T-80BV from Kharkovite attempt to prolonger life of their terrible vehicle - look at turret frontal ERA. If it have "steps" like layout (looking from the gun to turret sides) than it is not T-64BV, which mean that you should be affraid, spiritless Westerner!


The T-80U (Object 219AS) - Ultimate Soviet Guards Battle Tank
to deliver free healthcare to your country!
   T-80U. It is easy to spot and hard to confuse with anything Kharkovites made, before they created their Kharkovite-80UD, an attempt to undermine BEST SOVIET TANK. YOU KHARKOVITES HAVE NOTHING SACRED!

   You can thank me for not counting all bolts!
   (1) is our old good friend - Luna IR light for night combat.
   (2) is commander sight that is quite distinctive from other models of Glorious tank (including that box over it).
   (3) is important, comrades, as it will allow you to tell apart T-80U from Kharkovite-80UD, as it is the ONLY visible difference between them FRONTALLY. T-80U have roof ERA frontal edge mounted in 1 straight line.
   (4) - both are gunner sights. Primary gunner sight have a cut in turret roof, Secondary (night) sight is as big (or bigger) than primary, which is different from previous models, which had smaller secondary (night) sight.  
   (5) - smoke grenades mortars, 4 per side, mounted stright on Kontakt-5 ERA blocks. If ERA would be hit, smoke will be automatically deployed, Soviet designers inventiveness have no borders!
   (6) - V-shaped Kontakt-5 frontal turret modules to cut trough profit-soaked air of western countries and to deflect their puny projectiles.
   (7) - Frontal hull Kontakt-5 assembly. Here it is, without explosives:
   It covers UFP almost completely, which is better than T-72Bs (sorry, Ural colleagues, Leningrad is better at this as we don't try to build tanks too cheap). 
   This is how you spot T-80U frontally. From the side:
   (1) - Side ERA modules. Those ERA modules are much better than both Kharkovite creations and Ural tanks, which use rubber to hang their reactive armor. Crazy people!
   The other thing that will help you to ID T-80U is airfilter, mounted to the rear part of turret.
   And this is how you don't confuse T-80U with anything else. 



The T-80UK (Object 630A) - a battle tank to be driven by Stalin. Personally.
Or other Great Leader of Communism.
   The T-80U was so good that Kirov factory received a special order to build a commander version of T-80U to be driven by Great Leaders of Communism personally! This is why T-80UK was created - made out of pure hatred to discont shops and unending stream of wordspuke out of capitalist oppressors heads about how workers are free in their system of exploiting human weaknesses!


As a vehicle, that have a great leader of communism in it, or Lenin's holy relics, it should had better ways of delivering socialist ideals to other countries, that never knew the True light of Communism. Thats why Kirovtsy added a Shtora system - 2 big Communism rays emitters and 2 decadent capitalist sensors.
   The only external difference between it and T-80U is Shtora IR jammers Communism Rays emitter (2), laser sensors decadent westerners sesnors (1) and 6 smoke grenades per side. Other than those 2-3 differences, those ignoramus Westerners will have hard time identifying it!
The T-80UK emitting Communism at enemies to turn them to the left side!


The Kharkovite-80UD (Object - we will steal country money just to put our crazy diesel engine into T-80U to ruin it - 478B), a terrible abomination and violation of spirit of true Workers and Peasants ideals by untrustworthy Kharkovites to undermine T-80U achivements, but by this they admit that their T-64 tractor was inferior to Glorious Kirov factory creation, showing how much superior was a concept behind T-80, a true way of creating tanks that Kharkovites would never understand and because they don't understand it they just copied the Great tank of Soviet Guards Armies.
Kharkovites can't understand a concept of creating a tank which have everything behind and in it calculated to achive superior perfomance on battlefield against hordes of NATO invaders and not just to wave a pamflets with many paragraphs describing their unique inventions that they added to the tank without thinking about actual perfomances because Kharkovite is trying to sell his tank for personal profit, like decadent westerner, while only Kirov factory think about winning the war with imperialists.


To ID this ugly abomination from T-80U from the rear you just need to see a Kharkovite-designed, build and mounted less powerfull diesel engine, which is mounted inside of re-designed (for state money!) engine compartment.
Remember those lines, as they contain a Earth-shattering filth
    But from the front it will be very hard to see a difference between Kharkovite-80UD and T-80U. Thats why i already told you about turret roof ERA layout - those Kharkovite hucksters didn't managed to make just one straight line showing their true level of engineering abilities!
On the left - T-80U turret, on the right - Kharkovite-80UD
   From the side Kharkovite-80UD lacks an airfilter behind turret.
   Those filthy tanks were the same tanks that shelled state buildings in 1993! This is when Kharkovite-80UD showed it's tue face - a traitor, just like Kharkovites that build it!


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It's a T-80Y, clearly.


In all seriousness though, I believe it is a T-80UE, based on snorkel and MG mounts.  Of special note on this one is the number of smoke dischargers, which number at 12 as opposed to 8.  I want to say 1, 3, 7, 8, and 10 are T-80UEs as well.


That being said, 2, 4, and 5 are T-80Us, 9 is a T-80BV and the odd one out here (with K-1), and 11 is a T-80UM (missing IR light). So:


1 - T-80UE

2 - T-80U

3 - T-80UE

4 - T-80U

5 - T-80U (Maybe T-80UD, can't see enough of engine deck)

6 - T-80UE

7 - T-80UE

8 - T-80UE

9 - T-80BV

10 - T-80UE

11 - T-80UM


I have the feeling I've called a T-80UK a T-80UE a time or two.

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On 2/27/2016 at 1:30 AM, Scolopax said:


In all seriousness though, I believe it is a T-80UE, based on snorkel and MG mounts.  Of special note on this one is the number of smoke dischargers, which number at 12 as opposed to 8.  I want to say 1, 3, 7, 8, and 10 are T-80UEs as well.


That being said, 2, 4, and 5 are T-80Us, 9 is a T-80BV and the odd one out here (with K-1), and 11 is a T-80UM (missing IR light). So:


1 - T-80UE

2 - T-80U

3 - T-80UE

4 - T-80U

5 - T-80U (Maybe T-80UD, can't see enough of engine deck)

6 - T-80UE

7 - T-80UE

8 - T-80UE

9 - T-80BV

10 - T-80UE

11 - T-80UM


I have the feeling I've called a T-80UK a T-80UE a time or two.




1 - not exactly

2 - wrng

3 - Yes (possibly T-80UE-1)

4 - wrng

5 - wrng (first answer)

6 - wrng

7 - not exactly

8 - not exactly

9 - Yes

10-not exactly



   Red are completely wrong. Those, which are not red are answers that can be declaredas wrong or right, depending on POV. Let's say this - UE and UA exist in microscopic numbers, and we can (or can't) count them as part of T-80U.


\Results: 4 wrng, 2 Yes, 4 not exactly/

   I give you 3 hammer and sickles out of 5 for this attempt. You didn't won your Moskvich, sorry.

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I may or may not have seen that there was actually a larger T-80 post separate from the OP when answering...   :wacko:  Forum skills, go!


Revised List:

1 - T-80UE something*

2 - T-80UD

3 - T-80UE

4 - T-80UD

5 - T-80UD

6 - T-80UK

7 - T-80UE something*

8 - T-80UE something*

9 - T-80UBV

10 - T-80UE something*

11 - T-80UD


*Unsure what could be, just T-80U?  Could you talk more about T-80UE and T-80UA as well? I'm outright unfamiliar with the UA.


One thing I still don't entirely get (this was a major factor in my first round) is the MG placement.  Some have the mount on the commander's cupola (assumed T-80U), whereas others have several mounts (4, assumed T-80UE) located across the turret roof.


Also, I'm not sure I've noticed the large, trapezoidal airlifter part  before, only the long tubes and stuff they hang on the back.  Lack of observance on my part I suppose.


Finally, is there much to say about the T-80A?

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T-80A was prototype, that later was developed into T-80U.


   Let's call all T-80UEs and UAs as just T-80U, as there isn't much accurate info around that can help to see differences between T-80U and T-80UA/UE. Reason is simple - T-80Us with E and A designations are T-80U after repair/overhauls. They received mainly internal changes like getting better sights and FCS.



On 2/27/2016 at 7:53 PM, Scolopax said:

I may or may not have seen that there was actually a larger T-80 post separate from the OP when answering...   :wacko:  Forum skills, go!


Revised List:

1 - T-80UE something*

2 - T-80UD

3 - T-80UE

4 - T-80UD

5 - T-80UD

6 - T-80UK

7 - T-80UE something*

8 - T-80UE something*

9 - T-80UBV 

10 - T-80UE something*

11 - T-80UD


*Unsure what could be, just T-80U?  Could you talk more about T-80UE and T-80UA as well? I'm outright unfamiliar with the UA.

If we assume that T-80UE/UA= T-80U, than:


1 - Yes

2 - Yes

3 - Yes

4 - Yes

5 - Yes

6 - Yes

7 - Yes

8 - Yes

9 - Yes (if you mean T-80BV, and not T-80UBV, lol)




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         Most of the information in this section will be a summation of the section in Son of a Sherman. Other stuff I had to dig around on the internet for. Anyone who has more info on the tank makers, please feel free to contact me.  Parts from all these tank makers would interchange. Many used the same subcontractors. I don’t think anyone has tried or if it’s even possible to track down all the sub-contractors who contributed parts to the Sherman at this point. Some of the manufactures were more successful than others, some only producing a fraction of the total Sherman production, others producing large percentages. By the end of production, all the US and her allies needs for Shermans were being handled by just three of these factories.
      American Locomotive (ALCO)
         ALCO also produced M3 and M3A1 Lees, and made Shermans up to 1943. They were a fairly successful pre-war locomotive manufacturer founded in 1901 in Schenectady, New York. They also owned Montreal Locomotive works. ALCO made several version of the Sherman, and stayed in the tank game until the late 50s, helping with M47 and M48 production. The company went under in 1969.
      Baldwin Locomotive Works (BLM)
         Baldwin was another early producer, building three versions of the Lee, The M3A2, M3A3, and M3A5. They mostly built small hatch M4s, with just a handful of M4A2(12). They were out of the Sherman game by 1944 and out of business by 72. They were founded in Philly in 1825, and produced 70,000 steam locomotives before it died.

      (M4A4 and M3s being built side by side at CDA, photo courtesy of the Sherman Minutia site )
      Chrysler Defense Arsenal (CDA)
           Chrysler Defense Arsenal is kind of special. It was a purpose built tank factory, funded by the US Government, and managed and built by Chrysler.  Construction on the factory started in September of 1940. Completed M3 Lee tanks were rolling of the line by April of 1941. This was before the factory was even finished being built. It was built to stand up to aerial bombing. They produced M4A4, and M4 tanks as well and M4 105s, M4A3(105)s, and M4A3 76 tank and nearly 18,000 of them. Chrysler was the sole producer of M4A3E8 76 w Shermans, or the tank commonly known and the Easy 8. They produced 2617 units, but post war many A3 76 tanks were converted over to HVSS suspension. A very big chunk of the overall Sherman production came from this factory and it went on to produce M26 Pershing tanks.
          Chrysler built this factory in a suburb of Detroit, Warren Township Michigan. Chrysler used it’s many other facilities in the Detroit area as sub manufacturers, and many of their sub-contractors got involved too. CDA not only produced the tanks, it had the capacity to pump out huge numbers of spare parts.  CDA lived into 90s before Chrysler defense systems got sold off to General Dynamics. It took part in making the M26, M46, M47, M48, M60 and M1 tanks.
      Federal Machine & Welder (FMW)
         I couldn’t find much out about FMW, Son of a Sherman says they were founded in Warren Ohio in 1917. They produced less than a thousand M4A2 small hatch tanks.  They were slow to produce them, making about 50 a month. They were not contracted to make any more Shermans after their first 540 total, 1942 contract.  They did build some M7, and M32 tank retrievers. They were out of business by the mid-fifties.
      Fisher Tank Arsenal (FTA)
          Fisher Tanks Arsenal (FTA) has a lot of common with Chrysler Defense Arsenal, except this time Uncle Sam went to Fisher Body, a division of General Motors. Fisher decided to build the tank plant in Grand Blanc, south of Flint Michigan. The factory broke ground in November of 1941 and the first M4A2 Sherman rolled off the line in January of 1942, before the factory was fully built.
         The M4A2 was something of this factory specialty, in particular early on, with them producing a large number of the small hatch M4A2 sent off to Russia, and a few of the rarer large hatch 75mm gun tanks, around 986 small hatch tanks, and about 286 large hatch tanks.
         They also produced nearly 1600 large hatch, 76mm gun tanks, or the M4A2 (76)w. These tanks went exclusively to Russia as part of Lend Lease. These tanks were ordered over four different contracts and the final ones off the production line were all HVSS tanks. The HVSS suspension may have seen combat with the Russians before the US Army used it. Oddly, this factory also produced M4A3 76w tanks, but never with the HVSS suspension. Fisher produced a significant number M4A3 and Large hatch 75mm tanks at their factory, but nowhere near their M4A2 production.
      Ford Motor Company (FMC)
         Ford was a surprisingly small player in the Sherman tale. They are very important in that they developed the Ford GAA V8 covered earlier, and a lot of spare parts. But they only produced 1690 small hatch Shermans between June of 42 and Oct 43. They built a few M10s as well. All these tanks and tank destroyers were produced at their Highland Park facility.  After 1943, they stopped building tanks, and wouldn’t get back into until the 50s, and even then it was just for a large production run over a short time, of M48s.
      Lima Locomotive Works (LLW)
         Lima was one of the first producers of the cast hull M4A1. It did not produce any Lee tanks. Its production capacity had been taken by locomotives to the point just before Sherman production started. They produced the first production M4A1, that was shipped to England, named ‘Michael’, and it’s still on display at the Bovington Museum. They produced Shermans from February of 42, to September of 1943, producing M4A1s exclusively, and they built 1655 tanks.  The war was a boon for Lima, they’d been in business since 1870, and the contracts from the military for locomotives really helped them out. Post war, they failed to successfully convert to diesel electric locomotives and merged with another firm.
      Montreal Locomotive Works (MCW)
          MLW was owned by American Locomotive. They produced some wacky Canadian tank based off the Lee chassis, called the Ram, and Ram II, these floppy creations were only armed with a 2 pounder in the Rams case, and a 6 pounder, in the Ram IIs case, and they produced almost 2000 of the wacky things, what’s that all aboot? They eventually got around to producing a proper Sherman tank, the M4A1 “Grizzly”, producing only about 188 tanks. A very few had an all metal track system that required a different sprocket. Other than that, there was no difference between a grizzly and an M4A1 manufactured by any other Sherman builder. Don’t believe the Canadian propaganda about it having thicker armor!
      Pacific Car & Foundry (PCF)
         PCF was founded in 1905 in Bellevue Washington. The only west coast tank maker, PCF produced 926 M4A1s from May of 1942, to November of 1943. As soon as production stopped they started production on the M26 tractor, the truck portion of the M26 tank transporter. They never got back into tank production, but still exist today as PACCAR Inc., one of the largest truck makers in the world. 
      Pressed Steel Car (PST)
         PSC was one of the big boys of Sherman production, and they also produced the final M4s made, a group of 30 M4A1 76 HVSS tanks. PSC was founded in Pittsburg in 1899, but their tank factory was in Joliet, Illinois. They were the second manufacturer to make the tank and across all the versions they made, they produced 8147 Sherman tanks.  
        They started tank production with the M3 Lee in June of 41, and stopped production on that in August of 1942. They then produced the M4A1 from March of 42, to December of 43, and the standard M4 from October of 42 to August of 43.
         They were one of the final three tank makers to stay in the tank making business after 1943, along with CDA and FTA. PSC would produce large hatch M4A1 76 tanks, including HVSS models late in the run, totaling more than 3400 M4A1 tanks. They produced 21, M4A2 76 HVSS tanks, towards the end of 45.
         They were out of business by 56, with no tank production after those final 30 M4A1 76 HVSS tanks. 
      Pullman Standard (PSCC)
           Pullman Standard was a pretty famous luxury train passenger car maker, and another company that made rolling stock combined into one company. Pullman Palace Car Co was founded in 1867, or there about. I’m sure some train geek will be dying to fill me in on the company’s history but I’m not really going to look deeply into it. It does make for one of the more interesting stories about a Sherman tank producer. Their main tank factory was in Butler, Pennsylvania. And they helped produce some Grant tanks before they started Sherman production.
         They produced the M4A2 from April of 42 to September of 43, and produced 2737 tanks. They also produced 689 standard M4 Sherman tanks from May of 43, to September of 43.  Soon after these contracts were finished the US Government broke the company up due to some anti-trust complaint.  

         The thing to remember about all the Sherman makers is each one had a small imprint on the tanks they produced. So, yes, an M4A1 small hatch tank was the same no matter who made it and all parts would interchange with no modification needed, but the tanks from different makers still had small, cosmetic differences. They may have been something like nonstandard hinges on the rear engine doors to the use of built up antenna mounts instead of cast. Or wide drivers hoods or narrow, to where the lift rings on the hull were and how they were made or even Chrysler's unique drive sprocket they put on all their post A4 tanks.  None of this meant the parts couldn't be salvaged and used on another Sherman from another factory without much trouble. Some factories may have produced tanks faster than others, but they all produced them within the contracts specification or they were not accepted.
    • By Collimatrix
      Shortly after Jeeps_Guns_Tanks started his substantial foray into documenting the development and variants of the M4, I joked on teamspeak with Wargaming's The_Warhawk that the next thing he ought to do was a similar post on the T-72.
      Haha.  I joke.  I am funny man.
      The production history of the T-72 is enormously complicated.  Tens of thousands were produced; it is probably the fourth most produced tank ever after the T-54/55, T-34 and M4 sherman.
      For being such an ubiquitous vehicle, it's frustrating to find information in English-language sources on the T-72.  Part of this is residual bad information from the Cold War era when all NATO had to go on were blurry photos from May Day parades:

      As with Soviet aircraft, NATO could only assign designations to obviously externally different versions of the vehicle.  However, they were not necessarily aware of internal changes, nor were they aware which changes were post-production modifications and which ones were new factory variants of the vehicle.  The NATO designations do not, therefore, necessarily line up with the Soviet designations.  Between different models of T-72 there are large differences in armor protection and fire control systems.  This is why anyone arguing T-72 vs. X has completely missed the point; you need to specify which variant of T-72.  There are large differences between them!
      Another issue, and one which remains contentious to this day, is the relation between the T-64, T-72 and T-80 in the Soviet Army lineup.  This article helps explain the political wrangling which led to the logistically bizarre situation of three very similar tanks being in frontline service simultaneously, but the article is extremely biased as it comes from a high-ranking member of the Ural plant that designed and built the T-72.  Soviet tank experts still disagree on this; read this if you have some popcorn handy.  Talking points from the Kharkov side seem to be that T-64 was a more refined, advanced design and that T-72 was cheap filler, while Ural fans tend to hold that T-64 was an unreliable mechanical prima donna and T-72 a mechanically sound, mass-producible design.
      So, if anyone would like to help make sense of this vehicle, feel free to post away.  I am particularly interested in:
      -What armor arrays the different T-72 variants use.  Diagrams, dates of introduction, and whether the array is factory-produced or a field upgrade of existing armor are pertinent questions.
      -Details of the fire control system.  One of the Kharkov talking points is that for most of the time in service, T-64 had a more advanced fire control system than contemporary T-72 variants.  Is this true?  What were the various fire control systems in the T-64 and T-72, and what were there dates of introduction?  I am particularly curious when Soviet tanks got gun-follows-sight FCS.
      -Export variants and variants produced outside the Soviet Union.  How do they stack up?  Exactly what variant(s) of T-72 were the Iraqis using in 1991?

      -WTF is up with the T-72's transmission?  How does it steer and why is its reverse speed so pathetically low?
    • By EnsignExpendable
      Since I clearly have too much time on my hands, and Jeeps has a pretty cool tread going on, I decided that I'm going to do the same thing, but for T-34s. Here's a quick sample that I whipped up last night, I'm probably going to cover major exterior features of at least wartime T-34s and T-34-85s, then we'll see. I'll update the document in batches per organic time period rather than some arbitrary year-based cutoff. 
      Post constructive criticism and the T-34-iest pics you got
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