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59 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

You mean K9A1, I suppose, and from what I've gathered it's only rather small upgrades to the vehicle.

No the follow-on after that is suppose to be a lot more substantial.

Was just pointing out how hard automated systems are. The K9A2 and Koalitsiya look like they're shaping up to be pretty great systems. Then again there's always the XM2001, so these systems aren't particularly ground breaking.

I guess we'll have to see if this system lives up to expectations or not. The archer comes to mind for sub-par automated systems.

11 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Automated enough to start saying "beep bop" if it had a speaker.

So a trash can on a conscript's head?

11 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

 

Okay on a more serious note, Elbit said the whole thing would basically need only 1-3 people, so the turret itself is completely automated to the point that they can stay in the cabin. The only thing it needs is a target's coordinated, after which it creates its own firing solution and fires on command.

I'd figure the coordinates would be shared by the command center and the firing solution would be created automatically. I'd imagine this is going to be using Topgun since massed artillery and urban environments don't mix well together.

6 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Take that, my dudes:

 

 

How automated of a turret are we talking here?

What's going on in the first picture?

1 hour ago, VPZ said:

 

 

https://www.idf.il/אתרים/זרוע-היבשה/תערוכת-האמלח-בזרוע-היבשה/

What's going on in this one?

Mortar? Those radar panels seem like they're positioned weirdly.

5 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

I don't really know how these licenses work. If they're temporary and have to be renewed, or can be revoked with a penalty at any time, then they're a problem.

 

The current aid program with the US also created a situation where Israel prioritizes US manufacturing instead of Israeli (nice way to maintain qualitative advantage but basically cripple the industry, which is why there is now a review in progress to see whether Israel should turn down the aid or not), so it remains to see if the US will have a new medium caliber program of its own.

A license usually includes a transfer of technology for a fee and the promise to not sell it abroad. So, if a crisis happens Israel at worst wouldn't be able to export it and only use it domestically.

3 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Never heard of such thing.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/us-has-offered-india-co-production-of-armoured-carriers-along-with-israel-government/articleshow/62793562.cms

On 7/15/2018 at 8:11 PM, 2805662 said:

 

Thanks @Ramlaen - shame the original presentation can’t be found. That link is a couple of years too early. 

Maybe that's because it hasn't been given yet.

42 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

I swear the NGCV is like 100% identical to the Carmel.

Wasn't there a US proposed joint Indo-Israeli-American IFV/AFV project?

9 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Very unlikely. 

The CT40 is a joint UK-French project. Both these countries are considered unreliable arms exporters by Israel.

  

The only other existing high caliber guns that I know of are made by Bofors, which is a Swedish company. And as far as I know Sweden still has an embargo on Israel.

Hence why I asked about licensing, which you usually have trouble revoking after you handover the specs and collect your fee. And since the Sunnis are now in the same corner of the ring as the Israelis the Europeans would be under very little pressure. Didn't they usually cut off deliveries because they wanted to maintain their Gulf clients?

5 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

A truly well thought, potentially locally developed medium caliber gun will be bought or made for the Carmel, due to enter service in some version by 2027.

Would Israel license CT40?

Is the 30mm turret in production now?