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  1. Sig's iteration of the Army's 6.8mm wunder cartridge

     

    They are claiming a muzzle velocity of over 3000 FPS for a 16″ barrel and 2850 FPS with a 13″ barrel bullet weight not stated. 

     

    "As part of the program, SIG has also introduced a new three piece construction hybrid ammunition. It features a Brass case, Steel base and an internal clip to connect the two. So far, they have manufactured 40,000 of their 6.8 x 51 cartridge at their plant in Arkansas and are working on an additional 60,000. Due to its construction, the hybrid ammo offers increased velocities over standard ammunition in the same caliber and can be used in all current weapon systems, unlike some next generation ammunition proposals."

     

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  2. On 5/5/2019 at 1:49 PM, Mighty_Zuk said:

     

    I still don't see it as a practical solution. The stability issues (i.e how to fire a fragmentation warhead mid-air without inducing the tilt and yawing effects an APS would attempt to induce on the rod) seem like too much of a challenge.

     

    It doesnt need to be an exploding warhead. The concept already exists, maybe a rocket assisted tip detaches and flies ahead of the main projectile?

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  3. 4 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

     

    I read either that article or another one in which he says basically the same thing. One of the rare cases where I will agree with him.

     

    I just dont think is feasible to have 55,000 ranger trained soldiers. There just isnt enough qualified soldiers to fill the ranks, if you water down the selection and training process then they arent elite anymore. 

  4. Somewhat related to the topic at hand. The good idea fairy ret Maj. Gen. Robert Scales is at it again. 

     

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/02/14/retired-general-train-pay-army-and-marine-infantry-elite-force.html

     

    Retired General: Train, Pay Army and Marine Infantry as an Elite Force

    In an interview with Military.com, retired Army Major General Robert Scales, a combat veteran who received the Silver Star for his actions during the Battle of Hamburger Hill in Vietnam, suggested that the task force is aiming quite high in its quest for improved combat efficiency. In fact, Major General Scales envisions turning all infantrymen into Rangers.

    “Infantry is not a branch – 0311s, 11Bs (respectively the infantry military occupational specialities [MOS] for the Marines Corps and Army) – it’s not that. It’s a function. It’s those people on the ground who have line of sight of the enemy and kill them face to face,” said Major General Scales. “Secretary Mattis said from the very beginning…the only way this will work is if we treat close combat as an excepted function. If we build that functionality into the task force, it will work. If we fail to do it, if we fall back and treat the infantry as just another branch, it won’t work.”

  5. 3 hours ago, Toxn said:

    A good point, and part of the reason why I think decades-long insurgent campaigns tend to work so well against better armed and trained opponents.

     

    Yes and no. I think its more nuanced than that. Take Vietnam for example where your typical infantryman only had to serve just a 1 year tour in theater. Just when your average infantryman reached peak effectiveness, he gets rotated out. Compare that to insurgencies like Iraq and Afghanistan where a good portion of your force has multi-tour experience and combined with stupidly low casualty rates made insurgent forces completely ineffective Afghanistan. All they can do is run and hide as soon as the americans show up then come out again and try to exert some influence on the local gov't. 

  6. So are the bulges on the turret cheek supposed to still be weight simulators? Its looks nothing like the stacked welded plates in the earlier pictures.

     

     

     

    "The U.S. Army on Friday released the first detailed images of the next version of the Abrams tank with active protection systems.

    The new images – made at U.S Army Yuma Proving Ground revealed the M1A2C Abrams main battle tank with the Rafael Advanced Defence Systems-developed Trophy HV hard-kill active protection systems (APSs)."

     

     

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  7. On 2/22/2019 at 2:00 AM, Sturgeon said:

     

    Unless it's the 6.8 GP, the Army will never buy it. At least for now.

     

     

    Yes it would be possible.

     

    Oh, you want a Valkyrie-specific EPR with some weird polymer hybrid case, do you?

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    I like this very much. Def not a 62gr, Im guessing an 80gr if you are using the same materials as the current EPR with the same length or more than the current 90gr SMK.

  8. On 2/23/2019 at 1:04 AM, LoooSeR said:

       Soldier inside of some sort dug in position and with body armor/helmet could have survived this explosion 10 meters away withouth much of problems. Thats why i think Zvezda is not saying thruth about shell being "secret". It is probably old He-frag that was made back in Soviet times for just developed Ainet system for T-80UK (APFSDS that they used in video was Mango, for example). I posted some time ago a pic of newer HE-frag (3OF82 projectile, part of 3VOF128 shot) with ready-to-use fragments, it should be noticeably better. 

     

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    Looks like a nose fused round. I take it doesnt have a delay function to detonate after passing through walls and such?

  9. 7 hours ago, Ramlaen said:

    Much larger payload of pellets for catching flying targets.

     

    Is the current 5" Naval gun supposed to be use against aerial targets?  I think it specifically stated KE-ET was developed to counter small high speed craft. Anyway I find these non-HE frag rounds interesting, basically reviving black powder age technology. I dont think its a good idea to give up the M1028 Canister, I think theres something to be said about not having to lase and program a round in a react to contact situation. According to Nicholas Moran, there were issues with engaging targets that were closer than the 30m arming distance of the 120mm HEAT rounds in Iraq instead relying the blast/overpressure to kill the target. I wonder if pellets from the canister round would even spread out from the wadding at that distance. 

     

    https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2005/garm/wednesday/macmillan.pdf

  10. On 2/19/2019 at 6:46 PM, Lord_James said:

     

    And this is where the new HE comes in, what the sabot won’t mangle, will most likely have thin enough armor that HE will fuck it up pretty bad. The M2 on top of the turret can mess up light vehicles, too. 

     

    Basically, if the armor is too thin for the sabot to produce enough fragments, the HE will probably be able to get through it no problem. 

     

    It seems all these fancy new programmable HE-MP marketing are implying they can replace HEAT against medium and light AFVs. Heres the IMI Hatzav being tested against the side of M-60 turret and against a G*vin. Im not sure if DM11 is being touted as having this capability as well, though I dont see why it shouldnt be able to do the same things as Hatzav and AMP.

     

     

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