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D.E. Watters

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  1. On 10/12/2018 at 12:23 AM, N-L-M said:

     

    Back in 2009, I stumbled across a site hosting the annual command histories for the Commander in Chief Pacific (CINCPAC) from 1960 through the mid-'80s. I found an interesting tidbit in the 1974 history regarding an examination of establishing South Vietnamese production of the Lazy Dog munition for the VNAF.

     

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    “Commander in Chief Pacific Command History 1974 - Volume I, pp 248-249”
     

    LAZY DOG Weapon System as an Aircraft Area Munition


    Scientific Analysis Group Report No. 1-74 on the LAZY DOG system was requested by the Defense Attache in Saigon as part of his effort to cut down on the cost of the continuing war in Vietnam. He was specifically looking for items that RVN industry could produce at lower cost than comparable U.S. items. Air delivered munitions, all produced in the United States, were one of the single items of greatest expense. LAZY DOG was believed to be a highly effective but unsophisticated anti-personnel weapon. It had been purged from both USAF and Navy systems, but there remained many “assets,” missiles, dispensers, drawings, studies, etc., located in the Air Force and Navy R&D community that were considered useful. Further assessment was to be made to determine the feasibility of developing a LAZY DOG manufacturing capability in the RVN, and a capability for the VNAF to deliver it. 1
     

    1. J35 HistSum Aug 74; Scientific Analysis Group Report No. 1-74 , 25 April 74, Subj: A Review of the LAZY DOG Weapon System as an Aircraft Area Munition.

     

  2. On 5/23/2018 at 4:52 PM, Sturgeon said:

     

     The document you linked is Appendix 7 of the Ichord report, here's a not-so-great copy of the whole report. You can find better versions of all the appendices, and the report itself if I recall, on DTIC.

    @D.E. Watters


    FWIW:  The former document was part of the 12 volume report assembled by the US Army in response to the Ichord Subcommittee's report.  I linked all 12 volumes here.

    http://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/topic/104-documents-repository-small-arms/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-129310

    Ichord Subcommittee Hearings Transcript

    https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uiug.30112109164266

    Ichord Subcommittee Report

    https://hdl.handle.net/2027/umn.31951p00793094y

  3. On 5/23/2018 at 2:31 PM, Collimatrix said:

     

    That's a good point.  The only issue with a semi-rim is that it necessitates the use of a new bolt face for the AGL variant.

     

    Maybe it would have made more sense to use 23x152mmB ammunition as the starting point.


    It is conceivable that both the rimless and semi-rimmed cartridges could work with a breechface sized for the semi-rim.

  4. 2 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

     

    If it is semi-rimmed but the others are not, how does it fit into the common link?


    Perhaps that's why they made a new common link, instead of using the legacy KPV link?  You are either going to use a semi-rim or belt on a cartridge like that.  I wouldn't trust the rotating band for headspacing.

    FWIW:  The US played with its Cal .60 case by necking it down to 12.7mm and all the way up to 27mm before deciding upon the 20x102mm.

     

  5. 21 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

     

     

    I am probably re-stating the obvious here, but this looks like an attempt to make an all-in-one heavy machine gun/light autocannon/grenade launcher.

     

    The round on the left looks like a dummy 14.5x114mm, the round in the middle looks like the same case, but necked down to 12.7mm, and the case on the right is a mock-up of a grenade cartridge.  All three cases have the same rim and body dimensions, so they can all use the same links.  I don't recognize the links, they don't look like links for a 23mm cannon or for a 14.5mm HMG.


    The fat boi cartridge case looks to be semi-rimmed.  I'm guessing that it is in the 25mm range.

  6. On 5/15/2018 at 2:42 PM, Collimatrix said:

    How many barrels total were tested?  Barrels of the same caliber and length will often show consistent muzzle velocity differences of tens of feet per second for no apparent reason.


    Don't know.  The 2018 presentations haven't been posted on DTIC's webpage yet.

    When they go up, it will probably be at this link:

    https://ndia.dtic.mil/2018/armament/2018armament.html

  7. 4 hours ago, Donward said:

    And the best movie marketing scheme of 2018 goes to "Revenge"

     

    Also, how does a 98 pound woman with zero body fat beat the shit out of three guys after being shot and - I think - impaled on a tree after a terrible fall and left to die without food and water in the heat of the Arizona summer?

     


    My immediate guess is the supernatural, like "The Crow" and several other supernatural revenge flicks.

  8. 5 hours ago, Meplat said:

    Nothing is more telling than looking at a tablefull of AR18's and AR180's, and noting the differences.

     

    Buy an (original) Armalite for collecting, a Howa for shooting, and a Sterling for parts..


    I caught a 1971 International Defense Review on eBay the other week.  It confirmed the Lockheed connection for International sales.  They would also supply the tooling and setup, while ArmaLite would handle QC.  Another interesting comment was that Mauser was looking at buying a license for it.

  9. Here are links to all 12 volumes of the US Army's "Report of the M16 Rifle Review Panel" written in response to the Ichord Subcommittee Hearings and Report. DTIC has finally made the entire set available online for free download.

    History of the M16 Weapon System

    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953110.pdf


    Small Arms Test Policies and Procedures
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953111.pdf

    Audit Trail and Analysis of M16A1 Weapon and Ammunition System Tests
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953112.pdf

    Review and Analysis of M16 Rifle Training
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953113.pdf

    Ammunition Development Program
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953114.pdf

    Procurement, Production, and Distribution History of the AR15-M16-M16A1 Weapon System
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953115.pdf

    Review and Analysis of M16 System Reliability
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953116.pdf

    M16 Surveys in the Republic of Vietnam
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953117.pdf

    Review and Analysis of the Army Organizational Structure and Management Practices for the Development, Testing, and Product Improvement of Small Arms Rifle Systems
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953118.pdf

    Audit Trail of Chief of Staff, Army Actions and Decisions Concerning the M16
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953119.pdf

    The Army Small Arms Program
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953120.pdf

    M16 Product Improvement Modifications
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953121.pdf
  10. On 3/6/2018 at 8:20 PM, Sturgeon said:

    Knox blew up a lot of test barrels with their ammo, from what I hear.

     


    Someone still needs to interview Knox's George Reynolds before he gets too old and begins pining for the fjords.

    I want to know about his 30mm single-shot and semi-auto underbarrel grenade launcher designs for the US Army back in the 1970s.  I believe that he was also behind Knox's  standalone semi-auto 30mm grenade launcher that was flogged for several years by Honeywell and then ATK before the OICW program finally drove a stake through its heart.  Most folks know him now for the current Armalite AR30 and AR50 rifles.

  11. 12 hours ago, Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect said:

    On its surface, this ad isn't nearly as offensive as the others I've posted. But let's pick it apart. 

     

    https://www.armslist.com/posts/6100713/fort-collins-colorado-rifles-for-sale--rare--paul-jaeger--customized-mauser

     

    For Sale: Rare "Paul Jaeger" Customized Mauser

    $ 2,075
     

    Let's start with the pictures. This is a "custom" 7mm mauser. I don't know this Paul guy, but he looks like he knows what he's doing with a dremel and a blueing tank. Good for him.


    FWIW: Paul Jaeger has something of a cult following among custom rifle collectors.

    http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/archive-jaeger-paul/

  12. On 11/20/2017 at 9:32 PM, Sturgeon said:

    Bunch of G11 docs at the SAR archive (gotta search "G11" sadly).


    The ACR trials final summary is also there.  It describes all of the candidates, even those that didn't make it to the trials.  Mind you, there are two copies; one is a crappy photocopy, while the other looks like it was scanned from an original.  I think this is the correct one.

    "Advanced Combat Rifle (ACR) Program, Volume I, ACR Program Summary" February 1992
    https://www.smallarmsreview.com/archive/detail.arc.entry.cfm?arcid=S00440

  13. On 11/7/2017 at 10:14 AM, 2805662 said:

    http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/3812/1/DSTO-GD-0003 PR.pdf

     

    analysis on what different muzzle devices do to shot dispersion: FN Minimi. 


    The US Army tried to duplicate the Aussies' results and couldn't. 
     

    "Flash Suppressor Comparisons and Analysis for the F89 and M249 Machine Guns"  February 1993

    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a263086.pdf

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