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14 hours ago, Xoon said:

The Kurganets-25 reminds me a lot like a gold plated M113.

 

Very square.

Isn't literally every other western tracked APC/IFV? (Other than my beautiful Namer <3)

Then the problem is deeper than I thought.

Sorry Ramlaen my dear boy, but Go Team North Korea!

Ramlaen, I always liked you. You were known to me as an exceptionally tidy man of well sourced and sound information.

Don't defile and corrupt us and this thread with your imperialistic units of measurement.

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At least they got the picture right.

Berezhok on a K-17? That's stupid.

They had a perfectly sound concept with the Epoch turret. Unmanned, potentially overhead, good profile.

Technical deficiencies should be independent of the turret type.

So why the switch? I thought potential customers would be compelled to get the Epoch turret as well.

Sa'ar 4.5 ship with EL/M 2258 ALPHA radar by Elta. 

Another Sa'ar 4.5 with 2 fixed hives of Spike NLOS missiles. There is clearly room for a total of 4 hives (4 mounts, only 2 are used, probably training), which gives the total of 24 Spike NLOS missiles per ship.

I think it goes without saying that the Israeli navy is a world champion at stacking as much weaponry as humanly possible on the smallest possible surface.

3 hours ago, roguetechie said:

I'm sure the israelis are super happy about that...

It's not seen as an issue. 

These Bradleys, along with the T-72 battalion of Hezbollah, will be among the first targets when the next war erupts.

1 hour ago, Collimatrix said:

What I want to know is whether it's reasonable to assume that all tandem warheads have non-initiating precursor charges.

To the contrary. A rookie might assume that all precursor rounds are initiating, because the main idea behind them was to defeat ERA, not to increase penetration within set dimensions.

A wild Bronezhilet appeared. Unfortunately, he concealed himself.

Gentlemen, seek cover!

Norinco GL-5 Active Protection System.

Tested against 120mm munition, and has a unique feature of firing off 2 intercepting rounds, not 1.

The article is indeed very accurate and very comprehensive in debunking Postol's and others' claims.

It's actually very easy to determine the effectiveness of Iron Dome even if you're no expert or have no connections with the military:

Look at the number of rockets that were fired, number of alarms, then amount of rockets that have fallen in cities.

If you see a significant difference between the number of alarms and fallen rockets, you have a successful system.

And it's obtainable through open sources.

If that's not enough, then if the Iron Dome would really have low interception rates, the public would be first to know. You can't really hide a demolished house or a crater in the middle of a city from the public. There are social media and police reports.

Postol also makes another fatal mistake. He compares the Patriot with Iron Dome. The only flaw with Patriot was that it was designed to shoot down fixed wing aircraft, not ballistic missiles.

But once its software was updated to defeat ballistic missiles, during that same operation, it started showing remarkable results for a system of its time.

I find it very hard to believe a certain ERA design was alone sufficient to defeat an APFSDS, or more accurately and akin to the presumed intention in MM's words, the most significant part of an existing KE-defeating array.

With sufficient weight it is possible of course, but how was this viable on the Leopard 1 tank?

2 hours ago, Bronezhilet said:

 

How on earth did I miss that? Tsk tsk tsk

55 minutes ago, Bronezhilet said:

I'm a mechanical engineer. At the moment weapons research is a hobby, but I am trying to make it my job. Sadly we don't really have a proper weapons industry.

 

Oh, and we have horrid weapons laws, so I can't actually make/test anything.

And where do you live? Belgium, I recall?

I kinda forgot to ask but, what exactly is your field of work?

Are you actually developing munitions in your respective country, or did you take this research as a hobby?

Also, what degree of education do you have on the subject? 

I admire your level of knowledge greatly.

1 hour ago, Collimatrix said:

One thing I do not understand about APS is why it took so long for passive jammers like shtora and sarab to see widespread use.  They're very simple; essentially very bright, pulsing lightbulbs tuned to the correct frequency.  After the massive Israeli tank losses to ATGMs in 1973, it should have been obvious that something needed to be done to address the vulnerability of tanks to missiles.  The response ended up being Blazer ERA, which took something like seven years to develop.  And it's not like other Western countries had massive programs in parallel, the US even ended up buying Israeli Blazer kits for USMC M60s!

 

What I'm saying is that prior to the adoption of the Leopard 2, all Western tanks would have died like mayflies in an actual war with the USSR, that this was glaringly obvious, and that Western tank developers seemed strangely reticent to do anything about this.

Ahhh yes. The famous European "We don't face this kind of threat yet" approach - when you are only prompted to act when the body bags start running out.

It's a good thing though that 80% of NATO is the US of A.

I definitely havent seen some of them, so thanks. And here's an updoot +1

9 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

One of forum members, SH_MM, have great post on active protection system in his blog.

It's good, but still has quite a few unbased claims, and IMO wrong approach to the whole topic of APS.

UPDATE:

The tradition of military parades in Israel could soon be resurrected, after being done for the last time in 1973.

Plans for a parade are already under-way, although official confirmation on them has not been made. 

The parade will be rather limited. Foot soldiers will walk in Jerusalem's main street, in parallel with the air force's sorties above the capital. 

Tanks and AFVs however, will perform a demonstration in a stadium as they're unable to drive in Jerusalem's main street due to light railway construction works.

UPDATE:

Israel may have opted for Elbit as a sole contractor for its future cannon artillery system because of a widely accepted ban on cluster munitions, according to a Ha'aretz report. The report says that Germany could ban the use of cluster munitions via its artillery system. 

I say we take this with a grain of salt, but here are a few things to keep in mind:

• MAFAT (Israel's equivalent of DARPA) has officially said that one of the concerns, perhaps the main one, regarding a foreign system is the chance of embargo (whether on the system itself or munitions use).
• Israel is not a signatory state of the treaty that bans cluster munitions.
• Regardless, Israel has agreed to stop using munitions it can still legally use, such as cluster munitions and WP.
• Cluster munitions were used primarily, if not exclusively, by the MLRS units of the artillery corps, but are now completely replaced by a wide host of other conventional munitions. 
• Recently, IMI announced the completion of development of a cluster munition with a 99% reliability rate, making the treaty invalid for this type of ammo due to similar or even better success rates than most conventional munitions. The munition however is rocket based, not an artillery shell.
• Ha'aretz is a hard left leaning source, and cluster munitions are universally regarded as "bad" without completely understanding their nature and use, thus they may leverage it for a political gain. To support this, no official statement on this exact issue has been made.

The tip is not useful against composite armor as it's designed as an anti-ERA measure. It'll just go off very quickly.

Extensive NxRA/NERA arrays will attempt to bend and break the rod over and over again as it passes through more reactive layers, not as a single depleting armor plate.

Hence, a thinner rod, or in other words; one with higher L/D ratio, will be more susceptible to bending and subsequently breaking.

Lower L/D might be a better course of development against NERA/NxRA-heavy composite arrays.