SuperComrade

The reason why the historical issue feels like it is dragging on today is because during the 1960s through to the 1980s. Both needed Japanese tech and finances. Naturally their not going to get it if they press historical issues. Their societies have also been under tight government control so Chinese and Koreans couldn't look into their past history.

During the 1980s, Japanese and PRC relations were improving. Trade was going up and cultural exchanges were happening. PRC would air Japanese dramas on TV even. Of course anti-Japanese resentment lingered, but there was a large wash of the materialism and looking forward. And PRC was starting to open up.

Then came the 1989 Tianamen massacre.

The PRC government quickly retracted it's opening up and the CCP became very unpopular.

So how were they going to restore the people's opinion in their one party rule? Simple. During the 1990s, the PRC cranked up anti-Japanese propaganda in order to create an external bad guy to regathering public support. CCP did that to just save their own skin.

Relations were on the mend. But CCP being what it is resulted in a reversal. The Japanese tried to counter that reversal with apologies but to no avail during the 1990s to China.

I agree that these issues do get played up a lot on the Chinese and Korean end for political gain. However, I doubt there has ever been something like the relatively recent Katyn memorial where leaders from both countries got together to make amends at the site publicly. It also always seemed to me like there was a reluctance on the Japanese part to face up to the fact that they committed these things, whether it was 300,000 or 50,000 who were killed (ie. the textbook issues, Nanking denials by certain important individuals etc.)

Why did Japan go down the path of militarism is a very important topic. In any case, I do not endorse Japan went down the right path into its aggressive war and ultimately, I do hold in my opinion that the ultimate destruction of Imperial Japan by the US was a good thing.

That is good that you agree on that. As long as Japan itself does sincerely recognise that, hopefully it will never go down that path again.

If the alternative was the Holocaust, it's pretty obvious which way was better. It's still very very bad, but proper perspective is necessary.

Are you trying to say that the only alternative to things like Nanking is the Holocaust? I'm sure glad you were not in charge of the Occupation of Japan or Germany after the war.

I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say about proper perspective. Perspective of whom? The Japanese? The people who were subjugated by them?

I don't understand what he is trying to justify, honestly. He was saying that the Japanese wanted to sow terror in order to pacify and get the people collaborate. Yes, that's true. It's also not mutually exclusive with the fact that the Japanese looked upon the Chinese and Koreans as inferior people, and were more than happy to kill them at the slightest provocation, if any at all.

It's all relative yes, but this criticism is coming from the Chinese and Koreans. Not the British, not the Americans, not the Russians, not the Germans. Neither of them have carried out massacres of foreign populations on the scale the Japanese have in living memory. Don't engage in 'whataboutisms'.

 

Of course Imperial Japan has many examples of senseless manslaughter. But on a whole, the empire function on creating collaborators. It's specific deep scare in the case of Korea. But again that is how it worked. There were many Chinese collaborators too.

Yeah, that was considered acceptable in 1737 or 1837, not really anymore by 1937. You can't really justify 20th century massacres using 19th/18th century logic.

Yes, and do you also know that the British pay compensation for colonial era atrocities?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/uk-compensate-kenya-mau-mau-torture
 

You are seriously comparing the Malayan Emergency with the Japanese occupation of China? Really?
 

This picture was an apology to the Jews. The Japanese did not do what the Nazis did. 5-6 million Jews massacred simply because of being Jewish is a whole different league of evilness. That is genocide.

Imperial Japan conducted massacres where the majority were of fighting capable men. It's bad, it's terrible, but it was part of the process of establishing control. Imperial Japan was a colonial power. Koreans, Taiwanese, Chinese, were all fitted in the Imperial Japanese machine. The Jews? Automatic death every single man, woman, child, elderly, because of their Jewsih blood. The Germans did much worse than the Japanese. That's why the Germans had to apologize as they did. People think that just because both countries were of the axis that Japan should apologize at equal level which is a gross simplification.

The Japanese very much saw the Chinese as an inferior race, as much as the Germans saw the Jews and the Slavs as inferior too. This is readily apparent from interviews with former soldiers, and was admitted by them. I'll have to go back to Malaysia to get my World War II book, but I remember a Japanese soldier recalling that they were told "bullets and bayonets were too good for the Chinese, use stones". There is a photo of Japanese soldiers bayonetting a Chinese baby

This is not 'part of the process of establishing control'. This is called total contempt for the people being subjugated.
 

Well, when I was back in Malaysia in December, they were airing documentaries about the Fall of Penang (where I was born) in 1941. The old Penangites don't remember the British cruelty, but they sure do remember the Japanese. My late grandmother, who passed away in January, was one of them.

I bear no grudge at all towards the Japanese, but let's not be intellectually dishonest in claiming the British occupation of Malaya was anywhere near as cruel as the Japanese were anywhere, especially in China itself.

The Germans and the Jews

the British and Malaysia

As a Malaysian, I am unaware of any massacres/mass murders conducted by the British in Malaya that numbered in the hundreds, let alone tens of thousands

The percentage of population that fill the denier camp is not the majority. Most do recognize that this events have happened. Of this group is further divisions of opinion. Those that, if we take the Nanking Massacre, believe that about 200,000 were massacred, which is closer to PRC statements of 300,000 massacred. Then there are those that think the amount massacred was more like 50,000. Then of course there are those that don't have much of an opinion in any way.

Does that Patton pretty much perform the same as the Pershing at Tier 8?

https://youtu.be/tzm_yyl13yo

Norwegian physicist fires SIG 550 rifle at himself underwater

Any idea what vehicle that might be?

Nonsense, Japanese heavy tank doesn't need breech mechanism, weight of tank alone will absorb recoil

I do pretty well in the T-54, but I cannot perform with the T-62A, and I have no idea why

May be of interest to those of you on the West Coast

Teach me how to play the T-62A pls

One of whom became a US Navy sailor and served in World War 2 (also tried to blackmail his uncle for money) while his half-brother became an ardent Nazi supporter and died in Russian captivity.

I haven't seen other editions of the book on sale. They're probably selling for more than CAD$2, though. I quite like it. Very comprehensive.

I picked this up at a University of Toronto library book sale for CAD$ 2

No T-90s have been lost yet, right?

I need to ace mine one day

Most of those resources went to the Imperial Navy, as I recall

eg. Tupolev Tu-144 "Concordski"

O-Ni and O-Ho are called O-I 100t and O-I 120 t in the game files, for whatever that's worth. The actual O-Is are called Mi-Tos for some reason