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I may be a fat, achoholic, goose-stepping Commie, but if anything, i am still a man of my word


Here is planes


MIG-19 PM – 1958 and withdrew from service in 1972; not a successful plane in RoAF






MIG-15 – still in service in early 80s; however, there are two light attack planes available, L-39/IAR-99 or CAS IAR-93 who have a short life in RoAF


MIG-21 M

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L-39 ZA




Hong-5 – 1972 (in service until 2001!): 1xNR 23mm, 2xNR 23mm (tail), 6xFAB- 500 kg bombs or 6x 500 kg napalm bombs – e but I don’t know of any 3000kg bomb used by Romanian Air Force (RoAF) so I’d go with 6 napalm or FAB. I’d prefer napalm to be different of NK variant and would satisfy “arsonist” trait ;) Since there is clear evident for an 250 incendiary bomb made in Romania I’d load this one with 12x250 kgs napalm bomb, a flying version of Buratino :D



Variants: Il-28 was in two variants in Romanian service (except training ones), IL-28REB (Electronic warfare, electronic jamming version, fitted with wingtip electronic pods, that were in the former wing tanks) and Il-28B (basic two seat bomber).
However, Chinese version Hong-5 was widely used and retired only in later 90s. Hong-5 (basic bomber) – 14 plus training variant which replaced Soviet made equipment; This plane was used for radar calibration, various aviation equipment (reconnaissance, jammers, chaff and flares, Passive jamming cartridges / Metallic dipoles; In middle 80s was equipped with Romanian made GBM generators for active jamming of radars and was used also for training of radar units of RoAF.
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IAR-99 – 1987 / IAR-99 Soim – upgraded variant in 1997 with avionics similar with Lancer Laser designator container, 2xOPHER guided bombs, 1 x23 mm gun, 2 xR60 Or 2 SEBAV 1A or 1B, 2x RAV-RS, 1x23 mm Or 1x 23 mm, 2 x RAV-RS, 2 x PRN-80mm x12 laser guided; last one aka LRLD 80x12 (2050 meters range) but much better accuracy due to laser guidance;






MIG-21 Lancer A – 1994 (prototype) – multirole/ground attack variant of Romanian-Israeli upgrade. 2 x Python III, 2 x laser guided 500kg bombs/SEBAV 3 cluster 

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IAR-93MB Vultur - 1982 (MB stands for “Basic Engine” which means this was the basic variants and first two were pre series); 2x 23 mm, 2 x A91 AA missiles, 3 x 250 kg load or 4 x LPR-57mm-32; 
IAR-93B Vultur – 1985, entered service 1987; with afterburners; biggest number of built planes and used by RoAF was of this sort; increased internal fuel capacity, upgraded hard points and revised wing, including leading edge extensions. Also, the ventral fins, inboard wing fences and forward fuselage strakes were removed. 2x 23 mm, 2 x A91 AA missiles (or RAV-RS), 3 x 500 kg load (Sebav 2 or 3 maybe?) with clusters
Wing of  NACA 65A-008 (modified) section, shoulder-mounted with 0° incidence and 3° 30' anhedral from roots; sweepback  35° at quarter-chord and approx 43°on outer leading-edges; incidence 0°;  inboard leading-edges extended forward (except on prototypes / pre-production) at 65° sweepback; small boundary layer fence on upper surface of each outer panel; fuselage has hydraulically actuated airbrake underneath on each side forward of mainwheel bay, dorsal spine fairing, per-nib fairing, pen-nib fairing above exhaust nozzles, and detachable rear portion for access to engine bays; all-sweptback tail surfaces, plus strake beneath rear fuselage each side.
Internally balanced plain ailerons, single-slotted trailing-edge flaps, two-segment leading-edge slats (three-segment on prototype/pre-production aircraft), low-set all-moving tailplane and inset rudder, all hydraulically actuated (except leading-edge slats: electrohydraulic), with AEROTECH servo-actuators for primary control surfaces; no aileron or rudder tabs.

Bootstrap type environmental control system for cockpit pressurisation (max differential 0,214 bar ; 3,1 lb/sq in), air-conditioning, and windscreen de-icing/demisting. Two AEROSTAR / Prva Petoletka independent hydraulic systems, each of 207 bars (3000 lb/sq in) pressure, flaw rate 48 litres/min (12,7 US gallons/min; 10,6 Imp gallons/min), for actions of leading-edge slats, trailing-edge flaps, ailerons, tailplane, rudder, airbrakes, landing gear extension/retraction, mainwheel brakes, nosewheel steering, brake-chute and afterburner nozzles. Backup system for landing gear, wheel brakes and primary flight controls. No pneumatic system.


Main electrical system is 28 V DC, supplied by two Lucas BC - 0107, 9 kW engine driven starter/generators through two voltage regulators and a switching system, and a 24 V 36Ah nickel-cadmium battery ; four 300VA static inverters for 115 V AC power at 400 Hz. High pressure (150 bars; 2,175 lb/sq in) gaseous oxygen system for crew.


Planned retrofit of air intake and wing leading-edge de-icing.


Standard avionics include VHF/UHF air-to-air and air-to-ground com.radio (20W transmission power); gyro unit (Honeywell SGP500 twin-gyro platform in ORAO), radio altimeter, ADF, radio compass and marker receiver; IFF (Romanian IAR-93B aircraft only); and GEC-MARCONI three-axis stability augmentation system, incorporating a basic bank / altitude hold autopilot and emergency wings-level facility.
Two 23 mm GSh-23L twin-barrel cannon in lower front fuselage, below engine air intakes, with 200 rds/gun. Gun camera and GEC-Marconi D282 gyro gunsight. Fire external stores station, of which inboard underwing pair and fuselage centerline station are each stressed for loads up to 500 kg (1,102 lb); outboard underwing stations stressed for up to 300 kg (661 lb) each, giving max external stores load of 1,500 kg (3,307 lb). Typical weapon loads can include two or three 500 kg bombs; four or five 250 kg bombs; four multiple carriers each with three 100 kg bombs; two such multiple carriers plus two L-57-16MD launchers each with 16´ 57 mm rockets; four L-57-16MD launchers; four launchers each with two 122 mm, one 128 mm or one 240 mm rockets; a GSh-23L cannon pad with four L-57-16MD rockets launchers; four 160 kg KPT-150 or similar munition dispensers; or four L-57-32 launchers each with 32´ 57 mm rockets. Some IAR-93Bs equipped to carry up eight air-to-air missiles, on twin launch rails, on four underwing station. Centreline and inboard underwing points can carry drop tanks.
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As you can tell, ground pounders get me hard


POWER PLANT (non-afterburning version):



Two 17,79 KN (4,000 lb st) Turbomecanica/Orao (license built Rolls-Royce) Viper Mk 632-41 turbojets, mounted side by side in rear fuselage; air intake on each side of fuselage, below cockpit canopy. Pre-series aircraft have seven fuselage tanks and two collector tanks, with combined capacity of 2,480 litres (655 US gallons; 545,5 Imp gallons), and two 235 litre (62 US gallons; 51,75 Imp gallons) rubber fuel cells in wings, giving total internal fuel capacity of 2,950 litres (779 US gallons; 649 Imp. gallons). Provision for carrying three 500 litre (132 US gallons; 110 Imp. gallons) auxiliary fuel tanks, one on underfuselage stores attachment and one inboard under each wing. Pressure refuelling points in fuselage below starboard air intake; gravity refueling points in fuselage near starboard wing trailing-edge and in each external tank. Oil capacity 6,25 litres (1,65 US gallons: 1.37 Imp gallons).


POWER PLANT (afterburning version):


Two Turbomecanica/Orao (license build Rolls-Royce) Viper Mk 633-47 turbojets, each rated at 17,79 kN (4,000 lb st) dry and 22,24 kN (5000 lb st) with afterburning. Production aircraft have fire fuselage tanks and two collector tanks, plus two integral wing tanks, giving total internal capacity of 3,120 litres (842 US gallons; 686 Imp gallons). Drop tanks, refuelling points and oil capacity as for non-afterburning version.





Single-seat or tandem two-seat cockpit(s), with Martin-Baker zero/zero seat for each occupant (RU10J in IAR-93, Y-10LB in ORAO), capable of ejection throught canopy. Canopy of single-seat IAR-93A and J-22 hinged at rear and actuated electrically to open upward; single-seat IAR-93B, and all two-seaters, have manually operated canopies opening sideways to starboard. All accommodation pressurised, heated and air-conditioned. Dual controls in two-seat versions.

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Most interesting looks to be BEM-250 is explosive bomb mine - not sure what mine stands for, could be delayed fuze; In a Balkan deck, Yugoslav version would be SEAD and Maverick launcher so would complement bombs/clusters and rocket bombs of Romanian versions.



IAR – 95 ME – Prototype – 1979 started, cancelled in 1981, restarted in early 80s and continued until 1988; 1x30 mm gun, 9-11 hard points (2 wing tips, 2 under wing, 4-5 under fuselage); only one mock-up was made; was meant to replace MIG-21 as a multirole; Single-seater was supposed to be more of an ASF plane while double-seater was meant to be a multirole plane; Variants: Multirole: 2 x RAV-RS AA IR missiles/ 4 x SEBAV 2 or SEBAV 3/ 8 x CL-250 / 4 x A921 AGM but this would be better for MIG-23 which used this one or Soviet base model;



ASF: 2 x wingtips RAV-RS, 4 x RAV – RS on double launcher under wings, 4x A-911 or A-901 BVR missiles under fuselage and ECM system on last hard point;



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MiG-29 (Product 9.12) - 1989 


MIG-29 Sniper (prototype) – 2000; it was a local upgrade with same avionics like LanceR, made with Israeli (Elbit) support and was able to carry same weapons (Python 3, Magic 2, RAV-RS, various guided AGM, etc.); Other MIG-21 M/PFM/Bis etc.

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Aviation equipment produced in Romania:


A-90 beam riding missile Guided with RP-21 Saphire rad from MIG-19 and MIG-21 with 2-7 km range and 16 kg explosive charge, These things are fucking huge in real life


Racheta A-90     


Specialization Course for AA missiles

componente-a-90.jpgComponents, i dont speak Romanian  <_<



Export boths, where are the both babes :angry: ?



Mig-21 loaded and locked B)

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Looking good, everything has remained something of aviation weapons, not shown yet. Thus, we found a reference to the family bomb exercise BEAR, 50, 100, 250 and 500 kg, in fact mock-ups of bombs real, used for training, made ​​in one of the production units of the Army, "other times" . If I think about it, there were bombs of 500 kg that we saw Acros by 3 per 93 sites that came from landing passing over station Craiova, weather Catania mel. 
All training was done after 1989 Electromecanica Ploiesti, a target acrosajele launched from aircraft supplied, called TPDM. It has an outer diameter of 280 mm, weight 96 kg. The maximum height is 17,000 m launch. 
Time burning torch 
- 3 minutes at ground level 
- height between 3000-6000 m 4 min 
- heights between 9000-17000 m 5 min, 
light intensity of the torch from the ground min. 2,000,000 Cd 
speed dropping parachute flares and reflector with: 
- between 16000-12000 m 12 m / s 
- between 12000-8000 m 7 m / s 
- 8,000 - 4,000 m 5 m / s 
- below 4,000 m 4 m / s 
Distance discovery at daytime daytime max 35 km.
Also in the category of devices made before 1984 they also carried a container for dispensing 
propaganda materials (manifest) and a container jamming passive radar. 
Another container Acros, recently conducted SIARM in collaboration with ACTTM and CCIZ is for recognition and optical data transmission in real time within the project called System for real-time monitoring areas of operational interest and high potential risk with aconimul SMTR. 
I have data about it, but as it was IAR-99 tested mass not exceed 250 kg.




In the broader Lancer program, Romania received as a technology transfer license for 
carrying rocket launcher Magic 2, manufactured under the name LM52M2. It acroseaza by 
the adapter type 61B. Manufactured in AEROFINA Bucharest. 
Technical data: length 2705 mm, width 130 mm, height 250 mm, weight 53 kg. 
Meets functions 
- transport rocket (operational or simulated rocket) 
- recognition and signaling rocket actual or simulator 
- ensuring the normal sequence Release 
- transfer data to alter data home 
- providing sequence shooting emergency 
- ensuring racket on the ground or in flight 
launcher is composed of: 
- block for putting in operation and shooting, providing training, warming termobateriei, cooling photodiode , jettisoning in shooting mode and jettisoning urgently 
- the controlling and communication, which provides scanning control autonomously or controlled (slave) 
- the power supply unit, which converts alternating voltage 115V / 300-900hz received at the facility Onboard the airplane in 12V and 115V DC voltage of, for power control block 
- a frequency regulator, the voltage change of installation onboard the aircraft in two voltage 
alternative to 26V and 18,7V to 400Hz +/- 3% 
- the system latching, ensuring fixing rocket launcher, and through the safety pin (firing pin) connected to the system of locking ensure closure of a contact safety system initiation of rocket engine 
- cooling system that provides cooling photocell head Homing while the rocket is found 
on the launcher. Cooling is provided by a nitrogen cylinder. 
- Safety system, a mechanical flap connected with a contact. Under the action of aerodynamic effects, this system closes or opens contacts to ensure initiation termobateriei and initiating rocket engine. 
Also AEROFINA factory and a tester for the launcher, as the VP-LM52. 
It consists of two modules transportable module tester weighs 12 kg and the wiring module 
15 kg.
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Magic Launcher 2


For domestic production aircraft fire control, 4 pillars snap was done 
system DALBAv at INAV Bucharest. It seems that the system was already scrapped.
Attention has been paid countermeasures systems on board aircraft before 1989, since the development of several delivery systems and radiolocation dipoles of infrared false targets. Ammunition systems are manufactured in Plopeni Mechanical Plant.
false IR targets
Targets false RL + IR
Chaff and flare
for handling bombs in deposits has made ​​a hydropneumatic crane gantry aperture of 3.5 meters lift height of 2.5m and a maximum load of 400 kg. To snap arms was made ​​a trolley snap airplane weapons with a mass of 50 to 500 kg, wheeled loaders and hydraulic installation manually operated. 
These last two means of mechanization they were made ​​before 1984 in one Repair of the bases 
of the Air Force apparently.
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Great stuff, Tied.

Ulric and I have a joke that Eastern European military engineering seems to consist of taking Russian designs and making them longer; see all of their tanks.  Also, the PSL marksman's rifle is just an RPK receiver with an extension riveted on so it can handle the longer 7.62x54R cartridge.

Ya, then again, the RPK is surpsingly fucking accurate, makes a better desinted rifle marksman that most long rilfes 

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Well, since my initial search I dig in about info of Romanian designed weapons. Recently  a P 125 tank (or TR-125) was refurbished and exposed at the Military Museum. The factory which produced it declared they can start producing it immediately although they also deemed necessary many modifications (engine in the front, better transmission) to upgrade it to present day requirements. First post is about this prototype of TR-125 MBT which was developed between 1984 - 1991 from which 10 were produced and tested and finally development dropped due to lack of funds.


Recently a P-125/TR-125 MBT was refurbished and exposed at Military Museum near a T-72 Ural; it was even allowed to public to study the cockpit and the interior of the tank so I'll post some new pics, some old ones and few various opinions about this tank that I gathered from various hobby Romanian sites.

Here are few links about this tank but some of them contain inaccuracies.


P-125/TR-125 was a new tank who was supposed to be produced in Romania for armored units. Compared with previous products (TR-85, TR-77) this was supposed to be a true MBT with better armor than Soviet T-72 and solutions inspired from Chinese and Western type of tanks. Although some design solutions are inspired from T-72, the concept is different and is a very different tank. 10 tanks were produced and used for various tests; after project was dropped for lack of funds all went to storage:


As design, same principles were applied as for TR-85 compared with T-55 so TR-125 has better protected turret and chassis than T-72 and is not a simple copy of this tank. Also access to Chinese technology so better stabilizers and FCS. Better frontal and turret armor which lead to bigger weight than Soviet T-72.


It is worth noting that, on this tank were mounted the most modern equipment which were experimentation or assimilation in the manufacturing industry: 125 mm cannon caliber, stabilizer on cannon 2E 25, ballistic computer, new projector-type l-2, warning against laser illumination for launching smoke rockets and heat traps, etc.

TR-125 tank was a redesigned T-72 Soviet main battle tank which had a number of significant differences from the original vehicle that entered production as far back as 1971-72. Number 125 in the designation stands for the 125 mm A555 smoothbore tank gun. TR-125 boosted stratified armor and additional armor for turret, modified suspensions and a more powerful diesel engine. The T-72 weighs 41 tons whereas the TR-125 weighed 50 tons, due to increased armor protection over the frontal arch.

this looks to be a snorkeling test in inced water:

TR-125 had seven road wheels of a different design - wheels, unlike the T-72 and most tanks based on it, which have six, and a new one-piece skirt. The TR-125 was powered by a more powerful 880 hp 8VSA3 diesel engine, based on the US Teledyne AVDS, which gives a better power-to-weight ratio. For prototype it was 18,52 HP/t but it was in research a more powerful engine of 1000/1100 hp. Armament of the TR-125 is identical to the Soviet T-72 and eight forward-firing smoke grenade dischargers are mounted on the left side of the turret. It used an old DShK machine gun for anti-aircraft purposes and coaxial 7,62 mm machine gun.


Little was known about this tank until few weeks ago when the producer decided to refurbish it along with one T-72M (Ural) in order to be exposed in a museum; for the first time the interior was revealed to public; Here is an album with photos as I wasn’t able to post them on the forum is better to keep the original size for people who wants to study it closer:


To me it looks it was designed to be quite different from Soviet approach and more resembling with Western tanks; solutions like ammo storage in the back of the turret were explored on previous models such a TR-85 first upgraded variant. Without being a specialists there are some things I could observe:

-    Frontal armor angle is different same the angles in the turret and is more resembling with Chinese tanks which may result in a better RHAe against HEAT (allegedly it had 800-900 RHAe in frontal arch)
-       it is wider, longer and slightly taller
-       Transmission was automatic
-    Gun stabilized hydraulically, FCS and laser range finder
-       Laser beam detectors working together with smoke grenades
-    Autoloader inspired from T-72, allegedly 8 rounds/minute
-    3 soldiers crew
-       some solutions from the engine looks inspired from Leopard (e.g. air filter)
-    Turret was designed to support additional armor; fire control devices were put in such way to avoid leaving unprotected areas in the frontal area. I think the main idea behind the solutions adopted by Romanian engineers was to have a much better protected tank than T-72 more suited for defense and tank battles rather than tanks suited for offensive warfare.

I am not expert but to me it looks like a unique design in Eastern Block as all other tanks produced were copies and improvements of Soviet designs. I am looking forward to hear opinion of people who are expert in this area.

Later edits (photos and info):


Article from GlobalSecurity.org:


Romania purchased 30 T-72 from the USSR in 1979 and had plans underway in 1984 to license manufacture a version of the T-72 in Romania, powered by a French diesel engine. Designated TR-125, the Romanian T-72 variant had other changes as well, including seven roadwheels instead of the six on the normal T-72. Apparently, the Romanian program has not progressed beyond prototypes.

Between the years 1987 and 1988, in a very short time, Romania managed the design and implementation of the prototype tank, Romanian TR-125 (P. 125). It encompass the latest achievements of Romanian researchers and experience of national defense industry. The turret and automatic loading elements of this tank has been designed by ICSITEM Bucuresti and chassis, although falling into it aggregates, was designed by ACSIT-p 124 of the structure F.M.G.S. Bucuresti.

It is worth noting that, on this tank were mounted the most modern equipment which were experimentation or assimilation in the manufacturing industry: 125 mm cannon caliber, stabilizer on your cannon 2E 25 m, automatically loading mechanism on your cannon, computer balistic, new projector-type l-2, warning against laser illumination for launching rocket-buoyant smoke and heat traps, etc. At the same time, failed to experimentation and assimilation of new types of ammunition for Cannon, buoyant smoke grenade launchers, etc.

The TR-125 tank was a redesigned T-72 Soviet main battle tank which had a number of significant differences from the original vehicle that entered production as far back as 1971-72. Number 125 in the designation stands for the 125 mm A555 smoothbore tank gun. TR-125 boosted extra armor, modified suspensions and a more powerful diesel engine. The T-72 weighs 41 tons whereas the TR-125 weighed 48 tons, due to increased armor protection over the frontal arc, which is also a feature of more recent T-72s.

The TR-125 had seven road wheels of a different design - wheels, unlike the T-72 and most tanks based on it which have six, and a new one-piece skirt. The TR-125 was powered by a more powerful 880 hp 8VSA3 diesel engine, based on the US Teledyne AVDS, which gives a better power-to-weight ratio. Armament of the TR-125 is identical to the Soviet T-72 and eight forward-firing smoke grenade dischargers are mounted on the left side of the turret. It used an old DShK machine gun for anti-aircraft purposes.

The 125mm gun would have been a big improvement over the current 100mm of the TR-85, and not to mention all the other improvements. But the T-72 was not as good a tank as promoted. With an automatic loader that jams, cramped interior (in the Russian army small people at 1.60 m are selected for the crew).

In 1989 it was disclosed that Romania was manufacturing an improved version of the Soviet T-72 series MBT under the designation of the TR-125. Because of Ceausescu's obsession to produce everything in country, he simply couldn't grasp the economics of the fact that Romania can't produce 100% of everything in country without bankrupting yourself. Some said the standard T-72 was too complex for Romanian industry to handle. Mass production of the TR-125 was planned, as Romania had a tradition of producing only weapons that are made of domestic made components therefore works on a such a variant were started in mid 1980's. Three (five according to other sources) prototypes were made and tested, in addition to 30 purchased T-72s in 1978. The purchased T-72s were the early T-72 Ural-1 version. Romania was refused by the USSR in 1984-85 in buying license for T-72 variant but still managed to build a few by 1989.

The Tancul Românesc TR-125 was developed în the period 1985-1990. The Romanian Army reports that a total of 10 such tanks were produced. The Romanians could compare the both and decided to go with the TR-85, from which already had over 300.

After the revolution it was planned to build a new tank, TR-2000, with german support, based, or inspired by Leopard 2. There was a plan for TR-2000, based on or influenced by Leopard-2. In the 90`s there were some discussions with the germans. For moment there is no plan to replace the TR-85, maybe also because it was just upgraded (well, 56 from the 315 initialy planned).

Production    1984-1991
Weight     50 t
Crew    3 military
Cannon    125 mm, 8 shots per minute
Machine gun A.A.    1 x 12.7 mm
Machine gun dual purpose    1 x 7.62 mm
grenade Launcher    4-6 tubes 81 mm
Engine    8 VS. A3 diesel, 8-cylinder, 4-stroke overhead
Engine power    900 HP
Specific Power    18.75 CP/t
Automatic Transmission     hidromecanica,
pressure on the ground    0,875 Dan/cm2
Longitudinal Slope    32 °
Maximum speed    60 km/h
Autonomy    (without additional barrels)-400 km
39 rounds 125 mm,
2,000 cartridges 7.62 mm
300 12.7 mm cartridges
20 smoke grenades
Fire control System    Hydraulic turret/tun stabilized in two planes, with integrated laser rangefinder and SCF
range    200 to 5 000 m
Direct range    4000 m APFSD
Armor protection    
turret - 400 mm stratified/layered plus additional armor
Chassis - 200 mm stratified/layered and additional

Info from various Romanian websites which is based on the photos from albums posted here:

- 2 night visions system from which one was based in amplified light near box of 12,7 mm MG; some of products listed here: http://www.electro-optic.ro/produse.html
- ballistic computer
- gun able to fire Soviet ammo
- new FCS better than Ciclop M (modernized) from TR-85
- laser illumination warning system

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