MrMartin

What are these? I think they are good looking quite frankly.

So, it has been finally phased out of service. Do you have any official sources about this event ?

I think somebody made a mistake as this is T-72 Shafrah. IIRC Adra mod is T-72s with cage armor done by 4th Mechanized.

T-72: Ural workers cleaning the mess after Kharkovites failed with their tractor!
How to make a tank version of AK, by Ural. 
   After initial testing of T-64 Army started to understand the scale of failure, how utterly unworkable this abomination was in majority of Soviet Fatherland. The engine had to be warmed before ignition like Italian supercar for rich Italian mafia members that oppress simple Italian workers and parasitize the working class! How could they even think about making such engine? The puny rollers weight distribution and driving comfort was terrible, and noisy as well. Those Kharkovites tried to ensure that Westerners army could track T-64-equipped armies from miles away even without direct line of sight! Traitors!
   And if tank lost tracks in combat and Soviet army engineers tried to pull damaged T-64 out of the battle, those punny rollers just buried themselfs because how thin they were, working as a self-entranching knifes and by this completely jamming suspension and not allowing to pull tank from the battlefield, just to ensure that Westerners will win! Those Kharkovites know no shame for their traitor rollers!
 
   Only Ural is really working for liberation of oppressed workers in the world by making a tank that any peasent and factory worker can use to throw off the shackles of capitalism from his hard working hands!
T-72 Ural - a T-64 done right... i mean.. left!

   
 
 
T-72A - how to decrease amount of capitalism in your sights by shooting lasers!
   Ural workers, after creating and launching T-72 in production, never stopped to improve their tank in order to not give traitorous Kharkovites any ability to sell more of their sabotage tractor on puny rollers disguised as a combat vehicle. In order to achieve even better combat capabilites against decadent profit-only-dreaming capitalists Ural installed better sights with laser rangefinder and FCS on their T-72, which became a T-72A.

   
 
 
 
 
T-72AV - a T-72 with strong explosive flavor.
Choke on that, dirty capitalists!

T-72AVs fighting decadent Saudi-capitalists backed arab-islamic fascists
 
 
T-72B obr 1985 - communism-guided gun-launchable anti-capitalism missiles!
Extending long arm of Kremlin
   After yet another victorious modification of T-72, Ural didn't stopped to advance design of best Soviet tank. Workers now layed their eyes on more advanced weapons than just a cannon shooting dumb projectiles - Guided missiles was a new target in next 5 year plan for Ural engineers!

 
 
 
T-72B obr 1989 - spreading communism with explosives
A mobile komsomolets maker!
   With creation of T-72B obr 1985 and Kontakt-1 explosive reactive capitalist deterrent, Ural engineers entered a new 5 year plan with new ideas of how to improve the T-72 and help to Soviet Army in their fight against every bit of capitalism all around the world. T-72AV was able to launch agitators and RPGs back to places where they come from with introduced revolutionary Kontakt-1 ERA, T-72B obr 1985 showed a long arm to reach thick bellies of the bourgeoisie at long ranges with GL-ATGMs, what else a new model of the T-72 could do to spread a fair social system better?

 
 

Putin is stealing the sun from the Ukraine (photo evidence)
 

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https://www.drive2.ru/r/other/1587966/
 
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The US State Department and other US government organs believed their own propaganda.  Remember this?



The US government is filled with aging Baby Boomers who feel considerable nostalgia about the social uprisings that defined their generation.  They also feel guilt about not having participated in them more vigorously, and wish to vicariously participate in such uprisings elsewhere.  They became convinced that the entire Arab world was filled with hip, Western-educated young people who aspired to live in shiny, Western-style democracies instead of shabby, corrupt dictatorships.  With a little help from their friends in Washington DC, they could make their dreams a reality!  Yes we can!
 
Also, once the revolution was complete there were going to be some shady oil deals and whatnot to sweeten the deal for some of the people involved.  The first batch of diplomatic cable leaks have alluded to some of these.  But this isn't to say that the US government started all this chaos to get their hands on oil.  They're simply not that rational.  The horrifying thing about US foreign policy is that the US is so overwhelmingly powerful, and so completely insulated from the consequences of its actions, that the primary goal of US foreign policy is to posture and to gain advantage in US domestic politics.  If you live outside the US, you are just a puppet on a string, dancing to a solipsistic and insane tune played by the blind idiot god of America.  Unless you live in Russia or China and to a lesser extent India.  They have nukes and they're not afraid to tell the US government to shove it.  Everywhere else?


 
So, the Democratic Party and their extended network of allies in the State Department and elsewhere decided to prove their purity and support for Democracy by assisting in the overthrow of secular dictatorships throughout the Middle East.  This was, in retrospect, and also a the time, obviously a bad idea.  While these countries did have large numbers of hip, westernized youth who were tired of the corruption and economic stagnation of their homelands, these countries had even larger numbers of Islamists who were older, better-funded, better-organized, and far better at playing the game.  The results were entirely predictable; the young, cool, hip protesters who basically wanted to turn the entire southern coast of the Mediterranean into LA were quickly displaced and cowed into silence by barbarians who want to dynamite the pyramids and conquer all of their neighbors so they can have them as rape-slaves.  Also, I want to point out that that last sentence sounds like a breezy, poetic exaggeration but it's actually literally true.
 
This happened pretty quickly; it was obvious that Islamist elements were wearing the pants only a few months into the Arab Spring movement.  But the US government does not let mere facts stop it.  Instead of quickly pulling support and walking away while pretending nothing happened at all, the US government decided that if Islamists had taken over pro-Democracy protests, Islamists must be the true face of Democracy in the Middle East.  Seriously; that's how come you get retarded buzzfeed articles like this one lamenting the suppression of the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
Very quickly, a number of governments that managed not to implode decided that if Uncle Sam was going to act all retarded and shit, they might as well do their best to make sure that it was directed at their enemies.  These countries, chiefly Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Israel, formed a surprisingly effective alliance of strange bedfellows that aimed at exporting their domestic political problems and at sticking it to the Persians.  Saudi Arabia has a long history of religious radicalism, and an almost equally long history of exporting those radicals so they can get killed by airstrikes from civilized countries.  Qatar is a Salafist country that is looking very nervously at their own 20% Shia minority and what's going on in Yemen and Iraq.  Turkey is run by a knuckle-dragger who stays on top because his opponents are completely retarded, and who needs displays of foreign military might to keep his base satisfied with his lack of internal success.  Israel's Likud government has a precarious hold on power and opposes an Iranian ally and long-standing rival.
 
So, by making sure that a bit of money got into the right pockets, this coalition has kept the mostly Islamist opposition in Syria fed and armed.  Propaganda in the US, funded by the Saudis and powered by boomer egos, has mainly kept the public from realizing that this is exactly the sort of anthill that the US does not need to stick its dick into, although they have remained opposed to large-scale deployment of ground forces.
 
The biggest losers are, of course, the mainly secular, hip, westernized youth for whose benefit this idiotic operation was started.  And yes, I'm sure they would grit their teeth and side with Assad if any of them haven't been killed.

Your behavior after those events is strange. 
 
 

What. No. He's the fucking White House press secretary, not Joe from backwoods Georgia. People like him should carefully consider what they're going to say. Not run their mouth like a retard and later apologise.

US statement:
 
WHO report:
 
So the US went from "some cases" to "the victims", and from "organophosphorus chemicals" to "sarin". Those are quite the jumps.
 
 
Come on Don, have you read the shit that has come out of the mouths of US governmental people?
It goes from "this is a one-off strike, we won't take further action" to "Assad didn't do this" to "Trump wants to destabilise Syria" to "Trump wants to destabilise the region" to "we're looking for more military options" to "the US cannot separate Assad from ISIS". The US twists and turns just as much as Syria, just on another level and in the US' case the public eats it.
 
Like I said before, Syria almost immediately offered to accept an international inspection team, why was this denied? You can go shouting like "SYRIA HAS NOTHING TO DEMAND", but why shouldn't an inspection/investigation be from an international team? What inspection team in recent years hasn't been an international team? Syria also said it should start in Damascus, shouldn't that be absolutely perfect? Start in Damascus, drive to Shayrat, inspect that. If the US knew if came from Shayrat, wouldn't this be the easiest course of action? Of course, if you then can prove it came from the Syrian air force, you can then bomb to shit whatever you want to bomb to shit. For me this isn't about something like "The US shouldn't hamper the fight against the jihadis" but it's about the US straight up denying an international inspection and that they were the investigator, attorney, judge and the executioner. A major power doing that scares me, sugarcoat it all you want, but it fucking scares me. What if Russia had completely destroyed the Ukrainian air forces over MH17? What if we had destroyed Russian air defences over MH17? I mean, we had perfectly good (according to us) evidence to blame the Russians, and the Russians had perfectly good (according to them) to blame the Ukrainians. But none of the parties involved in that incident did that. I wonder why.
 
 
More about the Spicer remark:
Makes it a little more nuanced, but it's still a dumb statement.

You being offended or not has nothing to do with me thinking it's a retarded statement that shouldn't have been said. This isn't the first time Spicer has said dumb shit. He said that Trump's goal is to destroy healthcare and he has said that Trump's goal is to destabilise Syria/the region twice now. A press secretary shouldn't have so many "slips of the tongue", if he can't stop saying stupid shit (and having to apologise for it), maybe he shouldn't be press secretary? 
 
1. Except the US didn't refer to it as organophosphorus chemcicals, they said nerve gas. Some organophosphates are nerve gasses, not all organophosphates are nerve gasses. So you can't simply make the jump from organophosphates to nerve gasses, but the US did do just that. WHO said "the symptoms are consistent with exposure to organophosphates (which include nerve gasses)". WHO didn't say "the symptoms are consistent with nerve gasses (which are organophosphates)". The US completely dropped the organophosphates part and went straight to nerve gasses. 
If WHO had said "organophosphorus chemicals, a category of chemicals that includes phosmet" (which is a true statement) would the US have said "World Heath Organization stated [...] the victims of the attack in Syria showed they had been exposed to phosmet" (which could be a true statement)? 
 
2. They say they have proof, an inspection can confirm that proof. It's one thing to go look for proof, it's another thing to confirm the proof you already have. You give Iran as an example, I can give MH17 as an example. I think the only country that didn't (fully) accept the JIT's findings is Russia. For as far as I know every other country has accepted JIT's findings as correct.
Syria's only demands were: International team and start in Damascus. There was nothing like "Only non-NATO countries allowed, who have to start in Damascus, cannot go anywhere without military protection, and are not allowed to visit military installations". Nothing in the two Syrian demands prevented an inspection team from visiting all military installations, airbases or factories they suspect of making and/or storing sarin.
 
3. I'm not saying that the Russian/Iranian/Syrian sides aren't sketchy.
 
Also, as soon as the two compounds come into contact, it would make sarin. Sure, properly mixing everything would make sure that the binaries are fully converted to sarin, but as soon as the binaries come into contact with each other, sarin is formed.
 
It also has to be noted that Putin didn't say it was a false flag, he said it was a provocation. The term "false flag" was a mistranslation:
This was Putin's statement:
Which, according to a Redditor translates to:
Now, I can't confirm the accuracy of that translation, but I do know that "провокации" transliterates to "provokatsii".

I'm not giving it too much weight? I literally only posted it here because it's a retarded comment, I think I've posted Spicer's retarded comments here before.
 
I'm seeing a jump to justify a military strike. And if they're doing it here, who's to say they won't do it on other issues too?
 
2. Yes. It looks more like a press release than an intelligence report though, but hey. That's the report we're talking about right now. That's where this organophosphates vs nerve gas discussion comes from.
Citing intelligence agencies as a source are usually a bit sketchy imo. Personally I don't trust the "Trust us, our intelligence agency said so" arguments at all. We've seen what can happen with that in Iraq, although that might be an extreme case.
 
3. Depends on what chemicals you use. Yes, one is isopropyl alcohol (MSDS here), which is not flammable in presence of shocks, but can explode due to mechanical impacts or open flames.
But using isopropyl alcohol isn't the only way of making sarin. Another way is to use methylphosphonic dichloride instead of isopropyl alcohol, but that has a whole range of other problems, including it being super toxic. But it's not highly flammable or explosive. So yes, according to Wiki it's possible to create sarin without explosive/highly flammable materials.
 
I guess that a provocation would be something like jihadis storing chlorine in a house, have it look like an HQ or important place and wait until it's bombed: "We've been bombed with chemical weapons!!!!!111!1". While a false-flag would be something like deliberately blowing up the house yourself and claiming you were being bombed with chemical weapons.
 
 
But anyway, I have literally no idea what to think about this whole incident. Sometimes I'm leaning to one side, then something gets posted and I start leaning to the other side. I've been trying to give other perspectives but it seems that with a lot of people it's "You're either with me or you're a conspiracy nut/brainwashed by the media". I've been IP-banned on a forum that's totally unrelated to the SCW or even weapons because I told a moderator that maybe the proof wasn't as definitive as he claimed. Obviously that meant I support a mass murdering dictator and he perma'd me. 
 
Anyway, I think we'll have to wait on further information for this discussion to get anywhere. If you don't mind I'll drop it here since I think we can keep discussing endlessly and I wasn't planning on doing that.
 
That was the second time he said that. I mean come on Spicer.

America has been involved with funding Syrian opposition groups since 2005. 
 
The 2011 prisoner release was Assad going along with a rebel demand, which the rebels called "too little, too late" and most of the core of the ISIS and Tahrir al-Sham are not Syrians, but you have a lot of Saudis though. 
 
 

Newest Week in Review is here
 

Look, I'm a patriotic American, and this sort of video makes me happy.  You see, as a patriotic American, I have long believed that my country makes the best propaganda.  Tremendous.  Huge.  The best, believe me.  Bigly.

This video is an excellent example of how to do propaganda.  Good propaganda consists mostly of statements that are true.  You don't make up your own facts, you make up your own interpretations of those facts.
 
So, while most of what Klein says is basically true (and the things that he says that are wrong might be honest mistakes; in 2015 less of the truth had leaked out), the overall story is slanted.  And not even obviously slanted; a lot of his big-picture stuff is also essentially correct.  His breakdown of the factions and their foreign backers is pretty accurate, for instance.

For instance, he describes US aid to the rebels as starting in 2013.  While it is true that the US was not providing the rebels weapons prior to this date (at least not in large amounts), they were providing food and medical supplies since 2011.  So it isn't like the Obama Administration was responding to outrages by the Assad regime; they had been materially supporting the rebellion almost since the start.  Maybe from the very start, if you believe that the CIA was involved with the earliest stages of the revolt back when it was still part of the greater Arab Spring movement (I think that this is a reasonable, but unproven guess).
 
The bit about how Assad released prisoners to "tinge the opposition with extremism" is a clever bit of spin.  I paused when I heard that, because it sounds like retarded comic book villain logic.  "Hahahahahaha," said Assad, "I will increase the rebels manpower by releasing extremist prisoners even though I am near Qatar and Saudi Arabia, two countries well-known for supporting extremists!  The prisoners I release will definitely not call their jihadi friends from those two countries!  I am so smart!  Mwuhahahaha!"
 
...Yeah, I couldn't see that happening either.  Here's my take on what was actually going on:

Prior to 2011 Syria was actually helping the USA in the Global War on Terror.  Mostly, Syria was used as a CIA black site where people that the US intelligence apparatus scooped up disappeared into.  So Assad generally releasing prisoners in 2011 sounds to me like Assad realizing that the honeymoon was over, and shutting down the CIA's black site because he didn't need that in his country anymore.  Also, I strongly suspect that a lot of the stories about torture and extrajudicial executions happening in Syrian prisons prior to the revolution were aided and abetted by the CIA.
 
So now Assad is getting criticism from the US government for torturing and killing people, which he was doing because the US government asked him to.  Lovely.  If you want to get ahead in international politics, I have three words for you.  Don't.  Trust.  Jonathan.
 
Anyway, in 2013 there was a sarin gas attack that was allegedly by the Syrian government.  I say "allegedly" because aside from the perpetrators of the attack, nobody is still quite sure who did it.  Either this attack was the result of ongoing incompetence by Assad's military (who, let's face it, are generally incompetent with the exception of individual formations) because there were all sorts of things that needed gassing way more than civilians, or a false-flag intended to build support in the USA for the war (Seymour Hersh alleges that this is the case), or even a simple mistake (it's possible that pesticide storage got hit, and some pesticides are chemically very similar to sarin and in large amounts produce almost identical poisoning).

Anyway, the usual story that gets spun is that Obama backed down from a US military intervention in Syria because the US public was tired of war and because Obama is a pussy.  This is partially true, mostly the part about him being a pussy.  Truth is though, the US has been engaged in a massive air campaign over Syria since 2014.  They just haven't been hitting the Syrian government.  On top of that, since at least 2013 the US has been supplying Syrian rebels with weapons, so the usual media line that gets peddled in the West that the US is aloof or relatively uninvolved in the conflict is bullshit.
 
Klein's video's account of the origins of DAESH aka ISIL aka ISIS aka Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad is really the low point of the video.  He's way, way, obviously factually off.
 
ISIS didn't form in 2014 in Syria.  It formed in 1999 in Iraq, although it didn't come to the attention of US intelligence until the mid 2000s, and was only able to make a serious nuisance of itself by about 2012.  The idea that ISIS didn't engage the Syrian government is also laughably wrong; look at the siege of Deir ez Zor, but that was something that was commonly repeated in Western media as late as 2015.
 
He also repeats the claim that Russia didn't bomb ISIS in 2015.  This isn't really true; about 10% of the initial Russian air campaign was directed at ISIS, memorably some of the early kaliber cruise missile strikes.  Again, this was a narrative that the media has quietly withdrawn, since Russian air support was instrumental in defeating ISIS in Palmyra and holding the line in Deir ez Zor.
 
His main thesis, that the war is a mess with no obvious end in sight, was a reasonable one in late 2015.  His characterization of the players is pretty skewed, however.

As of now, the Assad government is slowly but definitively winning.  Russian air support, re-training and re-equipment of large portions of the SAA, and several key victories (notably Aleppo) have given them the initiative.

This looks like Su-22.