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  1. 358.000 for T-64B (and 283.730 for T-72B) in 1987 according to the same post by Gurkhan. Also, there was another set of prices, posted online by Vasiliy Chobitok (aka armor.kiev.ua), from information provided in 1999 by Ukrainian GBTU (Main armor and tank directorate) to Chief of Staff of the Ukrainian army, on prices of AFVs in US dollars - apparently they were using prices from no later than 1987, and converted them into dollars at RUB/USD exchange rate of 1.56:1 AFAIK during mid-late 00s it was the main source on Soviet AFV prices in Russian community, until other publications become available - though unfortunately some of those numbers are still hard to check by looking elsewhere. converted back to roubles: BMP-1 69.409 BMP-2 146.565 T-55 62.910 T-55AM 92.742 T-62 52.930 T-62M 98.414 T-64 148.000 T-64A 159.636 T-64B 328.678 T-64B1 270.471 T-64BV 343.608 T-72A 216.184 T-72B 270.000 T-80 600.000 T-80B 530.000 T-80UD 733.000 From another post by Chobitok - same numbers, accompanied by numbers on BMDs and BTRs converted back to roubles: BMD-1 88.300 BMD-2 112.000 BTR-70 29.390 BTR-80 69.300 BTR-152 "around 10.000" btw, Kostenko in his book compared T-72B vs T-80U (so, late 80s prices) - 280.000 incl. 15.000 for diesel engine, and 824.000 including 104.000 for gas turbine
  2. from one of UVZ's books, IIRC one on 80th anniversary, starting from second year of T-72's production "Full production cost" There was also another cost apparently, optovaya tsena ("wholesale cost" or something like that) - as far as I can tell, but I could be wrong, it says how much State actually pays for this thing to the tank plant. It should be higher than production cost, and with tanks it apparently was, as some reported numbers on tank cost for the same year and same tank are different. (Reportedly in some cases it could be lower than production cost - so, military, erm, division loses money on every one of those things sold - but if it's a part of larger company which also produces other things for civilians, those other things could become more expensive to cover losses. Or not - it was a Soviet economy, after all, AFAIK literally nothing owned by the State could ever go bankrupt. Well, "ever"... until whole country became bankrupt) Nothing as detailed as this was published on any T-64 version so far. There was mention in one book (could be Kostenko's "Tanks (tactics, technology, economics)", or TiV magazine article on T-80, but I'm not sure), according to which in 1974 T-80's cost was 480.000 and T-64A's 143.000. There were also numbers on wholesale cost of T-64 (432) in first 3 years of production (1963-1965, when 254 tanks were produced in total) - 200.000, 192.000 and 183.000 respectively (published in Tehnika I Vooruzheniye 2011-04). And then there were numbers posted on Russian Otvaga2004.mybb.ru forum by Aleksey Khlopotov (aka Gurkhan) - he claimed that in 1976 T-72 was 18.500 roubles aka 12.25% more expensive then T-64A; he also says that next year T-64 become 4.000 roubles more expensive, and T-72 become 6.500 roubles cheaper, so difference decreased to 8.000 roubles or 5.16%. As I've calculated, all that means 151.000 for T-64A (and 169.500 for T-72) in 1976, and 155.000 vs 163.000 in 1977. /IIUC that's only group of numbers, which in the beginning gives difference of exactly 12.25% and in the end - of exactly 5.16%, every other pair I've checked failed in one or another./ ... One thing which seems to be missed by some people is the fact that out of 13.8+7+17.8=38.6 thousand of T-64/72/80 tanks Soviet Army have recieved, less than half (46.1%) were T-72s
  3. IIRC UVZ's 80th anniversary book, on tank production: Tagil production of 20574 and Chelyabinsk production of 1522 equals to almost 22.1 thousand 12.5 thousand of T-64A/B in this chart does not include T-64 (obj. 432), 1297 of those, which gives 13.8 thousand. 7 thousand T-80s. another chat from the same book: 19.65 thousand of T-62s produced during entire production run
  4. ...that view ignores some of the things published (in Russian) on Soviet tank development during last decade or so, such as Ustiantsev/Kolmakov's book on T-72/90 - and other books from "UVZ's combat vehicles" series too, and also Chobitok/Tarasenko's book on T-64. ...that should include T-54 and T-55s, T-62s, T-72s - and 12+7 thousand of T-64s and T-80 too. No other way to get even relatively close to 100.000 figure
  5. 1964's plan for 1920 T-64s in 1968 and 2550 in 1970 (or 8670 during first 5 years) begs to differ. 5 more years of exactly 2000/year, and this thing would exceed number of T-72's reportedly delivered to Soviet Army in real life. 1 year on top of that - and it would exceed number of T-62s reportedly delivered to Soviet Army. object 167 (and 167M) and T-64A No information on promised T-72's cost, but real cost figures were published for 1974-1989, and T-64A's cost is known for some years of its production run, so in the end - it turns out that during 1970s basic T-72 newer was cheaper than T-64A.
  6. T-72 was not expected to exist at that time. At all. Plans to switch by 1966-1967 all 3 soviet medium tank factories, and one former heavy tank factory (Tagil, Kharkov, Omsk, Chelyabinsk) to T-64 production were drawn in 1964 by State Committee of Defense Technology with expectations of having only one single medium tank in production (starting from ~ 1967 or 1968), just like it was with T-54 in early - mid 50s That plan failed completely, as we know, but before it they made some changes, apparently - it seems like that switch to T-64 was moved to later date, as Tagil started preparations for producing T-64 (by making attempts to simplify it), only in like 1967 or something.
  7. https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 8 (1974) Vol.8 done from cover to cover (well, with the exception of covers themselves (as they do not contain anything except "Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 8") and last page of dust jacket) all 4 parts of article on nightvision are available. ... 27.06.20 https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 1 (1966) Volume 1 (1966) done from cover to cover I've decided to decrease amount of "separately photographed" pics I take, as it takes simply too much time (~doubling it). ... 01.07.20 Volume 5 done from cover to cover https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 5 (1970) https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/IDR/1975 vol.8/04 International Defense Review 1975-04 done from cover to cover ...05.07.20 https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 3 (1968) Volume 3 done from cover to cover https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik/Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 7 (1973) Volume 7 done from cover to cover except p.129 and 131 all pages with odd page numbers are uploaded in Vol.2 (except p.65, 79, and 193-207) and Vol.6 folders. https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/IDR/1975 vol.8/05 International Defense Review 1975-05 done from cover to cover https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/JDW/Vol.21 1994/ 1-10 issues and supplements of JDW 1994 (vol.21) done from cover to cover
  8. During following six-and-a-half weeks I've managed to put all of those images into folders, rotate them, and rename properly. /with Moscow lifting some of COVID-related restrictions, I hope to visit RSL either during this weekend, or next one. Since they've put a limit on number of books one can request during his visit, making photos of some books from cover to cover seems now like a preferable way to spend time there./
  9. It was shown in January of 2013, as seen for example there http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/01/25.html
  10. There are several vehicles used for parades only, with engine in front and driver and commander sitting side by side, and then there are other vehicles used for development and testing, with engine at front- right and driver on the left - IIRC none of those ever appeared on parade in Moscow
  11. Yes. IIRC all photos of pages from all books are uploaded. Still, I hope to visit RSL as soon as it opens again, so may be you can name particular remaining articles or page numbers in this book, which should be photographed first? /...I do hope, eventually, to revisit all those books and magazines in order to make photos of all pages from cover to cover, but that seems like at least a couple years worth of weekends task, and it seems more important now to make photos of covers and table-of-contents with occasional articles which catch my attention. But, as I implied, requests are possible. btw, AFAIK both GoogleBooks and Hathitrust have volumes 1-16 of Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik scanned almost decade ago, but they would not make those available in full view untill, like, 2060s - early 2090s. Well, unless someone finds copyright holder and convinces it to give permission to show it's publications in full view before copyright expires (like with Life, Popular Mechanics, and some other magazines). Internet Archive's Online Library could provide something much earlier, with their digital lending model, but they scan things on their own, so they are much smaller than either of first two, IIRC smth like 15 to 30 times when compared by total number of digitized books, and their digitization efforts are also seem to be much slower./
  12. https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V I've concluded that with my current pace of "processing" my photos of pages from some military-related magazines and books from and usually on 1950s-2010s, stored at Russian State Library, it would take months or years until finally done, so I've decided instead to upload it asap, "as is", with most uploaded by now, and few (in subfolders which would be available via the same link) in following couple of days.
  13. https://cloud.mail.ru/public/4TXT/5uK2Kt1cH photos of pages and processed versions of those photos from various Jane's International Defense Review issues published in 1997 and stored in Russian State Library
  14. And this one, overall closest, but still somewhat different: ... Ok, it's two GCV renders, but first one is in a very bad quality
  15. >digital design Last time they did that (with proposals for GCV), information available to general public was very limited. IIRC there are like one single render published on GDLS proposal, and no pictures at all on SAIC-Boeing-KMW-Rheinmetall Puma-based proposal.
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