Kal
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isn't one of each team's vehicles tested to destruction. Presumably that version is minus some of the more valuable components and could be displayed pre-testing. Due to welding and steel prequalification requirements, I'm not so sure the lynx can be properly repaired in Oz, it will need to sail through that test. The redback, i doubt its track will perform adequately either, but that vehicle would be designed according to Bisalloy (local) steels anyway, and such be repairable.
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1 to 3 June 2021 at the Brisbane Convention and Exhibition Centre.
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https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1008&context=eispapers1 CE(IIW) 0.745 versus 12.7 mm APM2, Em of 1.23-1.62
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Even so, some of the mine blast video/photos for boxer vs AMV 35 were made public. So never know what will come out.
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Australian DOD will get a good chance to test Iron vision/fist out, i don't know how much the results will be made public. The T2000 turret is derived from Elbit, so the family DNA is high, but its still is an EOS product, and until there is an EOS RWS on it, the turret is incomplete. (Which is to say, we can see what they are selling, but we can't see if it matches delivery.)
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thanks, its working on my system, but I can't tell about others, those pictures are links to the the screenshots that skylancer posted after that video. Can you see those?
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2 Iron Vision sensor blocks per side also it looks like a different generation of iron fist RADAR, this time with the IR etc
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yeah but there are 4 of them, you can count them in the video. and presumably, they can use that frontal hanwha camera, its really looks like its intended for full 180 coverage so when the vehicle pokes its nose around a corner, they can see sideways before the turret is exposed.
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I'm not surprised, amongst other things, Elbit in Victoria, Rheinmetall is in Qld and the borders are locked down hard between states due to Covid19 (and Victoria is basically 95%+ of Australia's wave 2 infections) EOS in Canberra had their own problems https://themarketherald.com.au/electro-optic-systems-asxeos-future-plans-drastically-altered-by-covid-19-2020-04-30/ '' One week before formal deliveries could commence, the delivery chain was broken in multiple places due to a national lockdown and the impact of COVID-19. A total of five essential EOS technical staff from Australia had to leave the country within 24 hours or be stranded due to airport closures and quarantine. All accessible airports were closed to normal commercial passengers and freight. The EOS production facility, located in a secure industrial zone, was locked down by military police, along with all other defence plants. Approximately 50 per cent of EOS local staff were forced into quarantine. The military test facility required for live firing was closed and the designated delivery points within military bases were cut off by military base closures
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it has 4 of these, I don't know if they are real or just place holders, but it sure looks looks like iron vision to me. On EOS's T2000 pdf they indicate the laser warning and IronVision sensors are co-located. https://www.eos-aus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Turret-Launch-Brochure-WEB.pdf
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interesting radar for iron fist, seems a recent development https://elbitsystems.com/pr-new/israeli-ministry-of-defense-selects-elbit-systems-iron-fist-light-decoupled-active-protection-system-for-the-eitan-afv/
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in this piccy, my untrained eye can see 2 set of IRON VISION sensors 2 set of IRON fist's radar 1x ELBIT commander sight and a fore hull mounted Hanwha camera still to come are the EOS RWS sensor packages. why place iron vision sensor there unless intent is to use them? edit and the birds eye photo add 2 more sets of IRON VISION sensor and IRON fist's radar, so 4 of each, thats 360 coverage. + driver''s reversing camera
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EOS - Electro Optic Systems Both the hull and turret are loaded with sensors, its just a question of how well they talk to each other.
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Nice cut-away of the add-on belly plate there. That suspension looks tricked out. I suppose thats Korean mountain goodness.
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Carmel's Iron Vision Helmets?
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Cast turrets are most economical to produce, and lack welding weak spots, but steel tech improvements in plates has outpaced castings. A reason to go from curved to flat is that the add on armour is simpler. Vs A reason to go from flat to curved is that there is weight improvements for internal space constraints.
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That exhaust could, should be fatal for their chance of winning land 400 phase 3. However there are ways to ameliorate it, for instance puma has its exhaust in same spot, and they pre cool the exhaust. T-15 also have their exhaust in the same spot, but covered by some type of angled reactive armour. Even an old school diesel's wet scrubber will reduce temperature from 300 Celsius down to 60 Celcius. So lots of options, but something needs to be demonstrated by Hanwha, or else...
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Drones are not hype, even a basic drone can provide profound real time reconnaissance for artillery.
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The full 57mm seems more future appropiate to me, as rounds get more electric and high tech, the bigger round becomes more sensible, and the full 57mm is more of a antiair/naval round. Future threats of drones and atgm will be easier to defend against using the full 57mm. Particularly the army can share a programmable airburst with the navy. (Or even a hypothetical steerable round) Think syria/libya/ukraine. Good accuracy at limit range of atgm is good. Valid airdefense capacity against uav is good. Indirect artillery support based on uav spotting is good. The short 57mm in can is also a valid round, cheap and cheerful. A different class of cost, a different class of use, more of a see it with naked eye type range use.
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Where have i seen that before
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Kal replied to Tied's topic in Mechanized Warfare
This time around, “the Army is not requiring any bid samples prior to contract award,” yesterday’s release makes clear. “The Army is still drafting the M&S [Modeling & Simulation] test plan which may require vendors to build early surrogate platforms” (emphasis ours), but any “surrogate” will be only “a low-level mockup (e.g., digital, wood, etc.),” not anything nearly as expensive as an actual drivable vehicle. Sheeesh, paper tigers There should be enough mostly real, very current options available now to test, (and americanise) including Namer Redback Lynx All of these probably have significant surviveability vs other IFVs and infantry. And are either real, demonstrable or approaching demonstration -
Would the 120mm wombat's HESH round be suffice vs Norman? Its a 12.8kg projectile supposedly rated at 400mm RHA. (27.2 kg complete round) Apparently there was also a Flechette round.
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Kinda, but plenty of those images are where other tanks have even less armour. but for the turret, the sloped geometry allows Merkava to omit the buster plate (Challenger, Abrams) and use a thin N?RA instead. It appears optimised for precursor/RPG 7 size, and when main charge goes off, it is trashed. thing is, Merkava armour modules are field swappable, same level of repair for Abrams/Leclerc would require the tank sent back to manufacturer in a different continent. high cost in availability and time. After about 4 years, an Abrams tank needs about $1m in field repairs in that year (and increasing each year), vs a reset is also about $1.2m. they just expensive to maintain, it doesn't take much Abrams maintenance to fund new tanks from alternatives
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Hedgehog Wombat Malkara Return of the JAFT HedgehogWombatMalkara
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That is not perforated armour, its a modesty bra for merkava N?RA. Its a type of NERA, each line of slots presume an airgap between sandwiches. So 4 rows of slots indicate 5 NERA sandwiches. Good thing about Merkava iv, no other tanks visually exposes so much of whats underneath as a merkava iv. Cant really tell whats in a forty year old abrams, but merkava is really unmodest. Israels need to recycle tanks and crew if yom Kippur war re-occurred. Merkava iv is optimised for field repair.
