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7 hours ago, Kal said:

KF31..

KF31 is just a cut and shut MARDER.  PAy no attention to it :)

7 hours ago, Kal said:

port side of the gun shroud.

That is where the coax lives.

22 hours ago, 2805662 said:

integrated into the KF41

Yes it has been.  The pics with no sensors are of the blast vehicle which has many expensive bits omitted.  Not fitted is not the same as not integrated.  Later pics of the non-blast vehicles for RMA clearly show the sensors.

7 hours ago, Kal said:

of KF41 hatch

That is the original demonstrator.  Quite different from those delivered for RMA

7 hours ago, Kal said:

thin cheap, spray seal

yeah, don't get me started o that crap!

7 hours ago, Kal said:

excavators

earthmoving equipment uses pure steel track - literally a steel edge or two contacts the road at every link..  99% combat vehicle track (in peacetime) use a steel track with rubber pads - only the pads contact the road.  Same impact as a rubber track.  Tracked earthmovers have no suspension so there are high in-equalities in load distribution as well.  No comparison

2 hours ago, Kal said:

I assume the rubber tracks are still too aggressive to place on bitumen roads, but do they tear up dirt roads too? 

Military track (in peacetime) is friendly to all road surfaces simply as load is distributed so well compared to wheeled vehicles.  Exceptions are when the midden intersects the ventilator and we revert to steel track and even rubber pad or band track does rip up bitumen if you pivot turn.  Less damage on dirt as less traction. (less resistance to pivot)

6 hours ago, Kal said:

sensor's slew and elevatio

Needs to be able to slew elevate separately from the weapon to enable lead.  Plus if the commander continues to use the remote sight when using the primary weapon (killer killer) then the sight must be able to slew and elevate independently as the ballistic characteristics of whatever small arm is mounted to the remote are radically different to the main weapon.   Actually reduces performance  as there are two sets of mechanical error available etc,

20 hours ago, Kal said:

What is that spare prop looking thing on the side?

That is half a recovery flat tow A frame.  Each vehicle carries half so they have some intrinsic ability to recovery each other.

20 hours ago, Serge said:

It’s an old model.

No, it isn't.  This model has features that are actually on delivered vehicles.  Correct mirrors, relocated front camera etc

1 hour ago, 2805662 said:

mirror

we have driven down a mirror rabbit hole..!  My point is that the CAMERA has been deleted.  No number of mirrors on any platform in any way is equivalent to a CAMERA.  Clebs post is very useful.  Looks like the drivers camera has evolved.  Latest version is more practical as it sits back behind the front edge of the glacis.  I take back my comment about mounting provision too.  It looks like the latest cast housing picks up on 4 existing armour mount bolts,  Cable routs still not obvious tho.

And on mirrors BOXER does not look t have any mirrors fitted during driver conversion training.  It does have cameras.

3 minutes ago, 2805662 said:

mirrors i

Understood and agreed - the mirror I am talking about is the one mounted near the right hand front lifting point on the REDBACk, the one angled to look down/forward instead of a camera.  No BOXER has that.  They have a camera.

2 hours ago, 2805662 said:

we’ll integrate it when it gets to where it’s going

probably not - there are no mounting provisions or a port for the wiring.  I actually liked their front camera with the groovy cast in spider!

1 hour ago, Lord_James said:

“we are cheaper than our competitors”

Absolutly, nothing wrong with that but.  Still have to meet the spec and I can't see a mirror being much use at night!

3 minutes ago, Cleb said:

With that mentioned it's probably the reason as to why this specific prototype has a different configuration to the previous AS21s that were shipped out earlier this year

could be.  This it would be odd as the mineblast test vehicle were to be first delivered.

1 hour ago, 2805662 said:

ships production Boxer,

not sure we have apples and apples - that is not a production boxer ex Germany.  They are painted DPP in Aus and have lots of gear including the SAS cameras fitted locally.  they use tectonica cameras;  I don't see a mirror added...

18 hours ago, Cleb said:

3rd AS21 prototype

Note that the front camera has been replaced bu a mirror!  So, the strategy is cheap and nasty

18 hours ago, Cleb said:

3rd AS21 prototype

What the hell are the lumps on the glacis?  Two look to have antenna base mounting patterns but are horizontal and I have no idea what the front two things are.  Maybe the set of features is a clumsy FPECM install?

13 hours ago, Kal said:

Thats the exhaust line treatment.

yep, no way it could have been left as we first saw it.  K9 will have to have something similar too'

7 minutes ago, Kal said:

or M113 replacement

Ph3 is really, really not in any way an M113 replacement.  Ph3 is something Australia has never had = IFV  Utterly different.

I frankly don't care about the nationalist side of this - I want the best equipment.  The real RMA trials will shine a light on the claims of both teams.

oh, and Germany is NATO...  Germany has PUMA.  Puma has Rheinmetall gun.  I don't personally see NATO commonality as an issue for Australia (not a member) but if it was an issue, then I reckon Germany using the Rheinmetall gun suggest that it isn't

5 minutes ago, 2805662 said:

new images

yeah, vehicles are being delivered and moved around the country so regardless of official pics, some stuff captured by the public in Victoria on the roads to Graytown etc should pop up.

So, the bottom line is that Australia is already in contract with Rheinmetall for Phase 2.  The contracted BOXER CRV uses the Rheinmetall weapon.

If there is any kind of ammunition issue, it is already real.  I am struggling to understand what anybody posting might imagine that this topic has not been thrashed to bits by the ADF already.

As for the main topic pf this thread - no way in hell does the choice between REDBACK and LYNX come to down to the single parameter of ammunition.

So, anybody have any new images of either contender?

9 hours ago, Kal said:

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Elbit is recruiting for its C4I business.  EOS for is RWS and general electro-optic stuff.

EOS is not a bad bet from an investment POV.  But, I will bet you a carton that RA wins. (xxxx Gold even)

9 hours ago, Kal said:

we will just be asking to be screwed on price for any and every upgrade

nothing to do with how many products or projects a Prime has - that is their business model.  They all have long (15 years plus) support contracts and they use the IP stick to stop CoA sourcing work on their platforms from others.  Hanwha will do exactly the same for the same reasons.

The saying is "give the vehicles to the customer for free, as long as they sign a support contract, that is where the money is!"