Belesarius Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/07/11/canada-renting-resupply-ships-from-chile-spain/29869123/ One more reason for me to hate on the Conservatives and their ongoing and massive defense procurement fuckups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ohwait, THERE IS MORE. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-s-cf18-bases-won-t-have-radar-units-replaced-as-55m-deal-cancelled-1.3145196 Fuck Harper. Sideways. With a rusty pitchfork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't care how messed up Canadian military procurement programs are, I still consider them a serious threat. Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/07/11/canada-renting-resupply-ships-from-chile-spain/29869123/ One more reason for me to hate on the Conservatives and their ongoing and massive defense procurement fuckups. To be fair, the Chilean Navy was pretty hardcore in the late 19th/very early 20th century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted September 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 This subject just keeps on giving. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-s-biggest-ever-military-procurement-at-very-high-risk-documents-suggest-1.2572855 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Word on the street is that the liberals want to axe the f-35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Word on the street is that the liberals want to axe the f-35 Word on the street here, almost everyone who knows much about Canada's defense needs wants to axe the F-35. Honestly, if we're in a big enough fight where the F-35s stealth characteristics are needed, we're gonna be fighting along with the US and they will have taken out the triple a and most of the big SAMs already. Most of our patrolling is NATO based or Canadian airspace enforcement. The odd time we're doing actual combat is generally as a coalition or with at least the US and Britain. After that almost any of the 4th/4/5 gen fighters would do the job with a real preference for something with long range that can carry a decent # of AAMs. Either the F-18E/F or one of the new Eagle variants would do just fine from US products, and I suspect the Rafale and Typhoon and mebbe even the Gripen to contend. I strongly suspect that if we don't get the F-35 in the end anyway (Strongest probability in the end) we'll end up going with the SuperHornet. Political realities being what they are, Northrop Grumman needs the orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 RCN wants in on the action; http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/shipbuilding-procurement-action-plan-1.3336604 Edit: at least the RCAF is helping out the mother country; http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/rcaf-patrol-aircraft-help-britain-look-for-russian-sub-again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted December 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Interesting and somewhat candid interview in regards to growing procurement costs forecast for building the DD/CPF replacements. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/warships-30-billion-navy-mark-norman-1.3347145 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 First stages of the bidding process for CPF/ADD replacements. Results of pre-qualification process for Canadian Surface CombatantPublic Services and Procurement Canada announced on November 18, 2015 the results of the pre-qualification process, the first step in the competitive procurement process to select a Combat Systems Integrator and a Warship Designer for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC). For the Combat Systems Integrator, the pre-qualified firms are: Atlas Elektronik GmbH DCNS SA Lockheed Martin Canada Saab Australia Pty Ltd. Selex ES S.p.A. Thales Nederland B.V. ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems GmbH For the Warship Designer, the pre-qualified firms are: Alion-JJMA Corp. BAE Systems Surface Ships Limited DCNS SA Fincantieri S.p.A. Naval Vessels Business Unit Navantia SA Odense Maritime Technology ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems GmbH The next step in the CSC procurement process calls for industry engagement sessions between Canada, Irving Shipbuilding (as the CSC Prime Contractor) and the pre-qualified firms to develop the Request for Proposals documents. The outcome of these competitive solicitations will be the selection of a Combat Systems Integrator and a Warship Designer who will become first-tier subcontractors to Irving Shipbuilding for the CSC Definition Contract, through which the CSC design will be developed to a production-ready state. The Definition Contract should be awarded to Irving Shipbuilding by early 2017 http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/app-acq/amd-dp/mer-sea/snac-nsps/prequalification-eng.html Current RumInt is that requirements mean that it is a 6000 ton design with 32-48 VLS cells and good hangar space. Nothing more concrete than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Changes coming under the new defence minister. Liberals alter course on frigate replacement and rely on foreign designOTTAWA — The Trudeau government has quietly revised the framework for the navy's planned frigate replacement program, opting for a proven foreign design over a custom domestic blueprint.Defence contractors were given details of the proposal on Tuesday, which is subject to industry feedback and final approval, expected later this year.Lisa Campbell, the assistant deputy minister in the acquisitions branch at Public Services and Procurement Canada, said an evaluation has determined that there are existing warship designs that would meet Canadian needs and deciding to go in that direction "was a big step for us."Commodore Art MacDonald said the navy has also refined its requirements for the advanced warships, on which Irving Shipbuilding in Halifax is expected to begin construction some time around 2020.In addition, the federal government will run only one competition for building both the ship and installing the sophisticated electronics, instead of doing it separately, as originally planned.Campbell said those decisions will help not only speed up the shipbuilding process, which has been proceeding at a glacial pace, but could help control costs down the road.When originally conceived, the Harper government estimated the cost of building 15 warships would be in the range of $26 billion, but internal documents and published reports last fall suggested the price tag could go as high as $40 billion.Relying on a proven, off-the-shelf warship design from another country takes a lot of the uncertainty out of the planning process, Campbell said."We don't know the actual cost per ship yet," she said in an interview. "We're not talking about a custom build anymore. We're talking about existing designs .... and in our view that is likely to have an impact on diminishing all sorts of risks."There would be, however, some modifications to the design to suit unique Canadian requirements. The process is not unlike the one followed when the Harper government selected a German design for the navy's soon-to-be-built joint supply ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://www.janes.com/article/65027/canada-launches-major-surface-combatant-competition CSC program finally underway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Derp! http://www.janes.com/article/71154/canadian-surface-combatant-bid-deadline-extended-again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 More Canadian procurement fun; http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/national/bureaucrats+tried+scuttle+naval+supply+ship+plan+worried+would/13437587/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Fincanteri putting pressure on the Canadian Government publicly. http://nationalpost.com/news/french-italian-consortium-offers-canada-a-deal-on-a-new-fleet-of-frigates-that-could-save-32-billion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Quote The Liberals have said they can’t provide Parliament with a schedule for the delivery of the supply ships or the icebreaker because they deem such information secret. Ha, governments are allowed to call information secret if it'd embarrass them. How on earth is it costing $60bn? That's more than twice what britain is paying for T26 (£8bn for 8, you'd think economies of scale would push the canuck cost down) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 FIcanteri's outside the process bid has been officially turned down. https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/december-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5789-canada-turns-down-fremm-bid-for-csc-while-naval-group-fincantieri-stick-to-their-guns.html Overpriced Type 26s go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 https://www.janes.com/article/83808/canadian-frigate-delayed-again DERP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 8000 ton 'frigate' 72 VLS cells, 5 inch gun, 2 CIWS. 2 30mm guns and torpedoes... not terrible. Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Canada might be walking back the Type 26 purchase; https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/feds-ordered-to-postpone-award-of-60b-warship-contract-because-of-allegations-the-ship-they-want-to-buy-cant-meet-the-navys-requirements A federal trade tribunal has ordered the government to put a $60-billion program to buy a new fleet of warships on hold while it investigates claims the vessel selected doesn’t meet the military’s needs. Last month, the federal government and Irving Shipbuilding selected Lockheed Martin Canada as the preferred bidder for the Canadian Surface Combatant program. Lockheed Martin had teamed with British firm BAE to propose providing Canada with 15 of BAE’s Type 26 frigates. But Alion, a U.S. firm that also submitted a bid on the project, contends the Type 26 can’t meet the Canadian navy’s stated requirements and filed a complaint with the Canadian International Trade Tribunal (CITT). Several European shipbuilders decided against submitting bids for the $60-billion project because of concerns about the fairness of the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Yep. Typical on all big Military contracts. Competitors launched a court challenge. Happens down there too. It's why I was so totally astounded at the air force chopper buy not being challenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proyas Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Why doesn't Canada just buy Arleigh-Burke destroyers from the U.S.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Proyas said: Why doesn't Canada just buy Arleigh-Burke destroyers from the U.S.? Not gonna happen. License build here in Canada? Maybe... but very highly unlikely. And the early flight Burkes didn't have hangar space, which was pretty much viewed as essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proyas Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Belesarius said: Not gonna happen. License build here in Canada? Maybe... but very highly unlikely. And the early flight Burkes didn't have hangar space, which was pretty much viewed as essential. Canada could buy newly-constructed Arleigh-Burke destroyers made in the U.S. The bigger the orders, the more that economies of scale lower the individual costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Maintaining domestic shipbuilding capability is a pretty big deal for Canada, which is a good chunk of why straight up buying ABs isn't going to happen. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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