The vast bulk of the "gun control movement" has more to do with garnering attention and money than an actual concern with the public welfare.
The few gun control advocates I've attempted to speak with were pure sociopaths with little concern or concept as to how their utopian ideals would come to light, as long as they got their way.
Hey guys, here's the first part of my new section in the Sherman doc, on Marine use of the Sherman.
I'm going to update the main post tonight. I've update every section in the doc with more info and cleaned it all up. I think I'll wait to finish the Marine section before I send it to Walt for the version on his awesome site.
Sherman use by the United States Marines:
Most people have the idea the Marines used the M4A2, and only the M4A2, and list things like it was a diesel like Navy landing craft used as the reason the marines chose the tank. The real reason they got A2, was that’s what was available when they asked, there wasn’t much choice involved, and they should feel lucky the army didn’t dump Lee’s on them. At various times the Marines also used M4A1s, and M4A3, all with the 75mm gun.
Tarawa, November 20-23rd 1943: The first Marine use of the Sherman was on Tarawa. The tanks were M4A2 small hatch tanks, these tanks were issued with no training, and the crews of the I Marine Amphibious Corps Tanks Battalion had sixty days in the states to learn how to use their tanks. Then the island they ended up pre landing had no place for them to drive the tanks to train on them. So they went into combat with no real training with the Marines they were going to fight with. The tanks had no waterproofing, and no deep wading trunks, and could only drive through 40 inches of water. They also had the same problem the Army had in Europe, the tanks radios were not on the same frequency as the infantry units below the battalion level. They could talk to aircraft though. Oh, and only sent one company to support the landings. C Company of the 2nd Marine tank Battalion had 15 tanks. All the tanks had names starting in the letter C. HQ for the tank battalion was almost entirely killed off and their radios lost during the landing so each platoon fought its own war.
1st platoon reinforced with two HQ tanks drove in on the reef and lost three of six tanks to shell craters and swamping. There were scouts sent ahead, but the markers they placed in many cases floated away, and most of the scouts were killed by enemy fire. The three surviving Shermans were named, Cecilia, a command tank. It linked up with China Gal, and they try and find a way inland. They had trouble getting inland, having to avoid many dead and wounded marines. The seawall, wrecked LVTs and other obstacles prevented the tanks from moving freely as well. While trying to find a way in Chicago took on water and shorted out.
China Gal and Cecelia manage to find a way inland, and found nothing but Japanese troops, and when a Japanese tank, a Type 95 Ha-Go, wheeled into view, it got of the first hit, and got very lucky, its 37mm round hit Cecelia in the main gun and wrecked it. The rifling was damaged, and the breach was open so fragments bounced around the turret and scared the hell out of the crew, but no one was hurt. China Gal blasted the Japanese tank. Cecelia raced back to the beach to check out the damage, and then later hooked back up with China Gal, the company commander jumped from the tank with the disabled gun into China Gal. They spent the rest of the day working with the gyrenes blasting Japanese pill boxes, Cecelia using just her machine guns. They worked between Red-1 and Red-2 the rest of the day.
2nd Platoon first tank off LCM sank up to turret killing it. The next to LCMs tried another spot, and first LCM took damage and sunk on a reef, blocking the, the second managed to back a little way out before taking fire and sinking as well. The tank in this LCM managed to get out, and onto to the reef, only to drown in hidden shell hole moments later.
The rest of the 2nd platoon made it ashore on beach Red-3 and moved across Red-2 to hook up with their infantry. These tanks were ordered to support an infantry assault across the islands airfield, and ended up out in front of the marine grunts. One took a bunch of fire and tried to back up and fell into a shell crater and rolled over. The other was damaged by a Japanese soldier with a magnetic mine, and then shot up by a hidden AT gun. They were in the fight for 20 minutes or less. I suspect since the tanks names didn’t make it into the book I’m using as a reference that no one from either crew lived to tell the tale.
3rd Platoon re-enforced with one HQ tank managed to get all four tanks ashore, and had less trouble doing so than the other two platoons. Their Good fortune ended their though. Cannonball, a command tank with the platoon leader aboard, Condor, Charlie and Command and Colorado were the names of the five M4A2s that made it ashore. The commander on Red-3 ordered the tanks to move out ahead of the infantry, with no men in close support, and for the tanks to kill anything they found.
In under an hour, Condor was knocked out, how it was knocked various in the reports, some claim a US Navy dive bomber took it out, but photos of the wrecked tank make it look like an AT gun or infantry close assault took it out. Cannonball took some damage from and AT gun, and in trying to get out of its line of fire managed to fall into a ditch filled with Japanese fuel drums. Apparently fire from a Navy fighter ignited the fuel, but the crew got out. The survivors from both crews were trapped behind enemy lines for a while. Charlie got taken out at close range by an AT gun. The Jap AT gun put multiple rounds through the tanks side. Commando lived up to its name, ranging far ahead of the Marine lines and racking up two AT guns, and five pillboxes before enemy fire knocked it out. Colorado had a gasoline bomb thrown on it, but the driver raced back to the beach and drove into the surf, putting out the fire.
By nightfall, only Colorado, China Gal and Cecelia were operational, and China Gal and Cecelia tied into the Marine lings on Red-1 and Red-2, and Colorado did the same on Red-3. Things were all messed up, lots of ships had just dumped whatever cargo was easiest into the LVTs and other boats moving things into shore and there was a lot of trouble getting the things the tankers were going to need. The most important being main gun rounds for the tanks M3 75mm guns. Late that night heavy Japanese machine gun fire rained down on the base of the pier that they were using to bring in supplies. Colorado was sent to help, and shut the Japanese machine guns down soon after.
Things had gone poorly for the Marine tankers, but not just them, the attack was so disorganized due to much higher than expected casualties, the Marines only had a small toehold on the island, and a Japanese counter attack during the night would very likely have rolled the Marines right back into the water. Luck was on the Marines side the Japs were even more screwed up and couldn't manage one.
Day 2:
The Marines started trying to bring in more troops at dawn. These troops were met by a hail of machine gun fire from the Red-1/Red-2 junction. Cecelia, still without a working main gun was dispatched to engage the Japanese machine gun positions at the junction. The tank was only in action for a short time before it slid into a shell crater and its electrical system shorted out. The tank was at a steep enough angle the turret could not be rotated with the manual traverse, and had to be abandoned. I’m not sure if it was shock from the impact when it slid into the shell crater, or if there was water in the hole deep enough to flood the tank.
The M4 hero of the day was China Gal, around 1100, she hooked up with a bunch of gyrene grunts and they attacked south from Red-1 towards the Green beaches. They never actually moved along the beach though, they stayed inland, behind the Japanese positions facing the beach, basically attacking from the Japanese defensive lines rear and flank. Two hours later, they had rolled up the whole western shore, opening the way for more troops to come in, and not under murderous fire. In many cases China Gal had to drive right up to the well-hidden concrete bunkers and blast them through the front slit, or rear door at point blank range to kill them. That night China Gal pulled almost all the way back to Red-1 and holed up with a few infantry around. They slept under the tank and would be back in action in the morning.
On day two, Colorado spent the day on Red-3 trying to kill Japanese positions at the base of the Burns-Philp Pier. Several of these positions had been wiped out the day before and re occupied by the Japanese over the night. Colorado worked closely with a bulldozer, the tank would move in close and blast the machine gun position and then the dozer would cover it over with sand, whether the Japanese inside were dead or not.
They worked out a system with the marine scouts who had led them in on the reef. The few that survived were used to scout targets for the tanks. The tankers made at least one of these scouts ride in the tank and show them were the action was from the inside at least once. The tank crews wanted to give the scouts an idea of how blind they really were, so he could appreciate and take it into consideration while they scouted.
The scouts worked out a system where they would get the tanks attention by beating on the hull with a spent 75mm shell, because they rang like a bell, and could be heard inside the tank, and then using his rifle to indicate a target. He did this by aiming at the target, and then they would hold up fingers for how many yards away the Japanese soldiers were. This worked well enough, but ringing the shell/bell on the hull put the ringer in danger of enemy fire. Of course, once he got the tanks attention, if was the Japs shooting at the scout who had to be worried. These men would also drag dead and wounded marines from the path of the tank.
When the progress on the Green beaches was noticed, it was decided to send in 1st Battalion 6th Marines and B Company 2nd Tank Battalion ashore there, B Company was made up of light tanks. One of the first LVT’s in hit a mine on the reef and blew up, once again losing a lot of important communication gear. Due to the heavy presence of mines on the reef and beach, 1/6 diverted north, delaying the landings, but ultimately coming ashore as an intact fighting unit, the first of the invasion.
The 1/6 landings went relatively well, but the light tanks of B Company had a lot of trouble. They came in on the wrong tide, and only one platoon would make it onto the reef, only to be 700 yards from shore, and high tide coming. The rest of the of B Company was diverted Red-2, landing before 1st Platoon got onto the reef.
All five M3A1 light tanks from the 1st Platoon got onto the reef, but only two would make it to land, the rest drowned in hole in the reef. The rest of the company got ashore only to lose another tank in a shell crater, leaving only two running. The light tanks laagered in an abandoned Japanese airplane revetment and their crews dug foxholes under the tanks for the night. Crews that lost their tanks, dug in with other crews, under their tanks. At night, anything that moved got shot at, so everyone made sure they had a hole by nightfall. A few more lights from B company would arrive before nightfall, but the rest still remained offshore.
As night fell on the second day, it was clear the Marines were winning, but it was also clear a whole hell of a lot of Marines had been killed. One of the infantry commanders still alive, Lieutenant Colonel David Shoup, issued a report that did not mention anything about a group of Marines being cut off holding a particular section of the island in it and concluded it with “Casualties: many. Percentage dead: unknown. Combat efficiency: we are winning. Lt, Col Shoup.”
Day 3:
At 0200 more B Company light tanks arrived off Red-2 and started to land and immediately started having problems. Of the first two lights ashore, one shorted out is electric system and was towed ashore by the other, only to be lost to enemy mortar fire. All through the night more B Company lights tried to get to shore. One platoon lost three out of five light tanks to drown out electrical system or other water related problems. By Morning they had five M3A1 tanks from two platoons ashore.1
Later that morning 1st Battalion, 8th Marines attacked the Japanese positions at the base of the pier at the junction of Red-1/Red-2. They five light tanks supported the attack, and much like their larger cousins in C Company, the tankers found it hard to find anything to shoot at, so infantry scouts would often climb into the cramped tanks and lead them to the targets. When the targets turned out to be a pill box or bunker, it was found even firing point blank into the embrasures bunkers with little success. They found using 37mm canister rounds at point blank range, fired through an opening worked well enough. They lost a M3A1 to a Japanese soldier who dashed out and threw some kind of explosive onto the engine deck, blowing the engine up and setting the tank on fire. They lost another light to a mortar attack as well.
The light tanks would be pulled out and replaced by SPM, was an lightly armored LVT with a 75mm howitzer in a small turret. These vehicles fared little better than the light tanks.
China Gal would be called upon to help an attack reach the group of trapped marines. Elements of two companies from 1st Battalion 2nd Marines had managed to push to the center of the airfield on D-day. The Japanese figured out these marines had pushed far ahead, and attacked behind them, cutting them off. These Marines attacked to the south the next day, trying to break out while the other marines tried to fight to them. The attack to save them faltered, leaving them in the nearly 200 Marines of 1/2 still trapped, now in a 200 by 50 yard area of thick bushes and underbrush, and they were low on ammo.
A little after 0800 China Gal, and the 1st Battalion, 6th Marines started an attack to relieve the trapped Marines. They also had seven more light tanks from B Company who had made it to shore helping. Major Jones, the commander of 1/6 kept tight control on the tanks, not letting any get further than 50 yards in front of the advancing gyrenes. Jones improvised a way to keep in communication with the tanks and kept one light tank back at his HQ to use its radios to control the other tanks. They attacked along a very narrow front, only about 100 yards wide. Even with the improved communications with the infantry through the use of the light tanks radios, right up at the front edge were the tanks were actually fighting, the commander of China Girl still found it necessary to open his hatch to talk to the Marines outside. To make it safer, the commander of the Sherman would rotate the turret, so his hatch was to the rear, then pop the hatch and rotate the cupola, the early split hatch commanders cupola rotated, to use one of the upright hatches to shield them from fire.
The tank infantry team advanced steadily, losing no more tanks, and crossing 800 yards, they relived the cut off Marines by 1100. By this point the Marines supply lines had stabilized and a good flow of supplies was making it ashore, but one thing was not. Ammo for the M3 75mm gun was not in the cargo being sent from the ships offshore. This forced the tankers to scavenge what they could from the knocked out and drowned tanks. The two operating M4 tanks would be reduced to firing 75mm pack howitzer ammo, it didn't seat right, and they didn’t know how it was fused, but it kept the main guns in action.
Back at the junction of Red-1 and Red-2, where a large Japanese bunker complex, which included the Japanese Commanders command bunker, was still holding the Marines off. At 0930 a lucky mortar round took out one of the bunkers, causing a huge secondary explosion, this allowed Colorado to move in and knock out the other bunker guarding the main one. While the fight went on, the two B Company light tanks left in the area were used as ambulances, hauling wounded Marines back to an aid station.
As night fell, the Jap strong point with the huge bunker still stood. The M4 was used to haul supplies up to prepare for the next mornings renewed attack. Late that night at 0400 almost 400 Japanese troops rushed the Marine lines, attacking B company 1st Battalion 6th Marines, and the Marines won the fight, but it had come down to hand to hand combat.
Day 4:
At 0700 on the morning of the 4th day of the battle, Navy aircraft bombed the hell out of the last of the japs holding out on the south east part of the island, a long narrow section, ending in the sea. The air attack was followed by marine artillery and naval gunfire support. One of the Pearl Harbor survivor battleships was off shore to deliver the fire. The USS Tennessee would remain offshore until December support the Marines through the mop up operation.
Freshly landed, 3rd Battalion 6th Marines passed through marine lines, heading for the Japanese strong point points on the east side of the Island. Colorado, China Gal and seven light tanks led the attack. They moved in a tight formation of tanks and infantry and rolled up the Japanese troops. The fight had left the Japanese, and many committed suicide. By 1310 the Marines had 3/6 had reached the eastern end of the island. The two M4A2 tanks proved to be decisive weapons at this stage, tearing through the last of the Japanese resistance in the area.
The last area the Japanese were still holding out in, at the junction of Red-1/2, with the big bunker, the area responsible for the majority of the Marine casualties. With only the support of a pair of SPMs the Marines finally crushed these last Japanese holdouts by 1305 when the Island was reported secure.
The cost had been one third of the landing force becoming casualties, 1696 killed and 2101 wounded.
The Marines salvaged all the M4A2’s they could and took them back to the LSD Ashland, and they were rebuilt in Hawaii and used in later battles. One M4A2 remains on Tarawa, Cecelia, no matter how hard they tried she wasn't going to come out of the shell hole, and as of 1992 she was still there, a steel monument to the Marines, Sailors and Soldiers who died taking the Betio, Tarawa Atoll.
The Marines learned a lot of hard lessons about using tanks at Tarawa, the biggest problem was communication with the supporting infantry units. Another big problem was the vulnerability of the tanks to water damage. It was also clear, the infantry units needed to train with the tanks they would be supported by in combat. The Marines of C Company had been thrown into combat with little training on the tanks, but still proved to be key players in the conquest of the island. The Marines would begin applying the lessons they learned, but not before their next use of the M4, this time M4A1s at Cape Gloucester, a swampy, jungle island in the Solomons, and not the best place for any tanks, but the M4 would prove it worth there as well.
It's fallshirmjager Otto Von Meatbunker, the bipedal sandbag!
Use him for cover! Advance on our enemy using his considerable bulk as a shield!
Really, does a Ju52 even have a way to carry external stores that large? Cause I cannot see Gefreiter Lardbody fitting through the troop door without using considerable amounts of butter..
And I'm assuming that's a reproduction uniform smock, something has me doubting the Germans ever made one like that in size "Hamplanet".
It's fallshirmjager Otto Von Meatbunker, the bipedal sandbag!
Use him for cover! Advance on our enemy using his considerable bulk as a shield!
Really, does a Ju52 even have a way to carry external stores that large? Cause I cannot see Gefreiter Lardbody fitting through the troop door without using considerable amounts of butter..
And I'm assuming that's a reproduction uniform smock, something has me doubting the Germans ever made one like that in size "Hamplanet".
A bit of trivia, many M59's you encounter do not have their original mills, as the 302's were very popular as slim and affordable race/rod engines.
I've met more than a few old MV'ers who mentioned buying (then selling) M59's and other 302 milled MV's JUST for the engines.
An open registry would ding them marginally at worst.
What it would do is preserve existing historical examples, as one could now make or obtain a just as functional, but "new" example for recreational shooting.
Swiss engineering, where they'll take then gun you requested, hand polish all the surfaces, coat them in the finest platinum and gems (that are both stylish and functional of course), build it like a fancy watch, and have it cost 3 to 4 times the price you originally asked for and wonder why it doesn't sell.
That being said, I actually really like my P320 even though it's in fat man caliber. (I needed something 10 round compliant anyway.)
German airports are immune to planes landing from the front, and require at least 5 American or Russian planes to land before they catch fire. In addition, German airports can land planes from over twice the distance that American or Russian airports can land them. Germany only loses out to the US and Russia in airline traffic because the Americans and Soviets outbuilt them using so many cheap, useless airports. Finally, German airport generators don't run on fire-prone gasoline or diesel, like American or Soviet airports. Instead, superior teutonic benzin is used.
We'll see how well it takes.
Considering that there are people who still think the AK never needs maintenance, that the M-14 could chamber and fire 7,62X54, or that the standard U.S. service cartridge in WW2 was the .30-30, I'm not going to hold my breath.
Because running FA competently, is a skill, not a talent.
There is a full-auto 1911A1 video on Youtube that has a few seconds of my shooting it. I was one of the very very few who managed to keep the whole mag on target. There was an early NFA rag that had some pics of me shooting a MkII BREN off the shoulder while wearing some Limey camo and webbing (back when my back was good, and my Gov surplus knee was not prone to making odd clicks and pops).
Anyhoo~
A great deal of my work was "Make sure the pig works". Which meant lots of shooting FA stuff, including a lot of things that had bad reps. (Early M1918 BAR's for example, or select fire FAL's.) When you are being paid to shoot FA, and the ammo is basically unlimited, you learn how to keep the muzzle down and the shots on paper. After a while I was firing a M1918 offhand on semi, just to show how retardedly accurate they could be if you practiced follow-through.
The problem with this debate is that the US has neither a government that is substantially influenced by the interests of its people, nor a market that is substantially responsive to the classic market forces that are supposed to equalize and stabilize these sorts of things automatically.
You cannot rely on a government to act in the interests of its people if its only interests are in fattening itself, and you cannot rely on the market to find out how many shoes are needed in each size if the government gives perverse incentives to shoemakers.
It's a manufactured crisis intended to buy votes.
You make it so that people of late middle~high school age are of a class that is not easily hired, creating a demand for low cost labor. This is filled by the small number of people who'd normally be able to find work in slightly above minimal wage/entry level manufacturing, and by a tacitly approved amount of illegal immigration.
You couple this with an increase on the cost of basics, I/e rent., utilities and transportation, and you end up with a controllable, easily manipulated 'force' to drive up the base wage and further reduce the value of the dollar.
All in all if it works out you end up with a body of voters who eat up the swill sold by the politicians without having to think about -why- these people are seeming to "support" them.
Well, I was the senior manager of a chain of paintball fields in the Phoenix area. We hired and fired loads of "kids".. Some good some bad.
Anyhow, one of the better kids came up to me as I was counting the drawer, and said "Some crazy guy out on the field just told me he'd suck my cock for a dollar".
This of course drew some laughter. Which ceased when I unlocked my desk and pulled out the Mk VI. The place had been robbed before, and the almighty fuck be upon the asshole who tried when I was on shift.
Anyhow-
Went on the field (indoor in an old warehouse) and found this scrungy Aqualung looking old fucker who immediately said "I CAN BE HERE! I KNOW THE OWNER!". I thumbed back the hammer and said "Get the fuck out, and never come back". The rodent immediately found a loose panel and exited the AO most ricky-tick.. I grabbed one of the other managers, and we secured the loose bit of tin, and what others we found by the light of my Olds.
Next day, the owner (Someone I got along with really well, and was basically a very conservative Tony Bourdain clone, literally) came in and said "So I hear you pulled a 44 mag on a bum. Was that needed?" To which I said " Your info is wrong. It was a Mark Six Webley, in .455", modified for .45 ACP, and loaded with 274 grain swaged wadcutters. And yes, when the bums start coming on the field and trying to suck the cocks of my charges, it is necessary."
His reply was- "Okay! Long as you have the place ready by the next day of business, you do what you have to".
Ron was a good guy.
I did end up having a couple more "incidents" all of which ended up in a similar manner. One of which had a MCSO deputy asking "Why didn't you shoot the fucker"...
Well, I was the senior manager of a chain of paintball fields in the Phoenix area. We hired and fired loads of "kids".. Some good some bad.
Anyhow, one of the better kids came up to me as I was counting the drawer, and said "Some crazy guy out on the field just told me he'd suck my cock for a dollar".
This of course drew some laughter. Which ceased when I unlocked my desk and pulled out the Mk VI. The place had been robbed before, and the almighty fuck be upon the asshole who tried when I was on shift.
Anyhow-
Went on the field (indoor in an old warehouse) and found this scrungy Aqualung looking old fucker who immediately said "I CAN BE HERE! I KNOW THE OWNER!". I thumbed back the hammer and said "Get the fuck out, and never come back". The rodent immediately found a loose panel and exited the AO most ricky-tick.. I grabbed one of the other managers, and we secured the loose bit of tin, and what others we found by the light of my Olds.
Next day, the owner (Someone I got along with really well, and was basically a very conservative Tony Bourdain clone, literally) came in and said "So I hear you pulled a 44 mag on a bum. Was that needed?" To which I said " Your info is wrong. It was a Mark Six Webley, in .455", modified for .45 ACP, and loaded with 274 grain swaged wadcutters. And yes, when the bums start coming on the field and trying to suck the cocks of my charges, it is necessary."
His reply was- "Okay! Long as you have the place ready by the next day of business, you do what you have to".
Ron was a good guy.
I did end up having a couple more "incidents" all of which ended up in a similar manner. One of which had a MCSO deputy asking "Why didn't you shoot the fucker"...
Well, I was the senior manager of a chain of paintball fields in the Phoenix area. We hired and fired loads of "kids".. Some good some bad.
Anyhow, one of the better kids came up to me as I was counting the drawer, and said "Some crazy guy out on the field just told me he'd suck my cock for a dollar".
This of course drew some laughter. Which ceased when I unlocked my desk and pulled out the Mk VI. The place had been robbed before, and the almighty fuck be upon the asshole who tried when I was on shift.
Anyhow-
Went on the field (indoor in an old warehouse) and found this scrungy Aqualung looking old fucker who immediately said "I CAN BE HERE! I KNOW THE OWNER!". I thumbed back the hammer and said "Get the fuck out, and never come back". The rodent immediately found a loose panel and exited the AO most ricky-tick.. I grabbed one of the other managers, and we secured the loose bit of tin, and what others we found by the light of my Olds.
Next day, the owner (Someone I got along with really well, and was basically a very conservative Tony Bourdain clone, literally) came in and said "So I hear you pulled a 44 mag on a bum. Was that needed?" To which I said " Your info is wrong. It was a Mark Six Webley, in .455", modified for .45 ACP, and loaded with 274 grain swaged wadcutters. And yes, when the bums start coming on the field and trying to suck the cocks of my charges, it is necessary."
His reply was- "Okay! Long as you have the place ready by the next day of business, you do what you have to".
Ron was a good guy.
I did end up having a couple more "incidents" all of which ended up in a similar manner. One of which had a MCSO deputy asking "Why didn't you shoot the fucker"...
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