Wiedzmin
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i think it's aluminium OR non-metall, because there is no point to fasten it with bolts if it's steel + whole structure will be quckly destroyed by incoming hits + weight of that plates CR2 prototype in Bovy have rails even on turret IIRC, serial tanks have this strange plates on turret front and side
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so they changed from rails to that aluminum( doesn't look like steel)/non metal backing plates like on CR2 ? you sure that is CR1 hull ? T 225/3237, main problem that there is no detailed info about 5,7(40 and 60 degree cone) and 8(40 and 60 degree cone) inch warheads, what explosive it used, what was the speed of jet etc, thats why real effectivness of all of those "Biscuits" vs real ATGM/RPG not quite clear Late requriments for L2 lets say have similar requriments as L3 in terms of KE, 120mm from 1km IIRC(doesn't have doc at the moment), knowing L3 armour array you can propose what L2 array is
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no, only UFP and LFP itself without any addons, without idlers housings, blade etc, even without driver vision block and plate(and without 16mm add-on) for it IIRC upd: UFP(without 16mm addon, without driver plate for vision block and any other additions, but only with tow hooks) + LFP(499kg) - 3517kg, so UFP alone with hooks - 3018 kg
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i can find exact "kg" but it will take some time this is only description what i seen in reports about chobham biscuits, few spaced armor plates which is protects agains KE, and package of mild steel on plastic(NERA) to protect from CE
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presumably the first authentic photo of 115mm 3BM21M APFSDS(maybe for export)
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for soviet tanks whole UFP(as i wrote - UFP( in case of soviet tanks UFP structure is special armour basically,because only whole structure gives protection, but not 2/3/4/any number sheets of FPR from whole structure ) + LFP + some other in case of oplot) + LFP in case of CR1 weight of special armour module(spaced armour plates, mild steel plates on plastic, fasteners etc) one more example Biscuit №4 was 406mm thick(50mm of those 406 was RHA backing plate, so 356mm for special armour), whole assembly have weight similar to 5,3 inch steel plate(135mm)
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gettyimages now have much higher res previews
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it's funny to read about all this "weights!11" for example T-72A hull front (UFP + LFP) 3+ tons IIRC oplot-m hull front(UFP + LFP+"ERA cassette(without ERA blocks inside)" which is part of UFP) 4966kg CR1 UFP special armour - 1.4 tons (1427 kg) (hull itself with special armour, fuel,ammo,engine etc isnide - 41700kg)
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no, there is many pages, part - front with add-on armour, part about hull side which is 80mm thick and have side screens far from it (spaced at distance of track etc), part about comparing with rh105 etc... it's not about posted image i think you can find some reports about M392 APDS IIRC which was tested on 240 bhn plate in US, usual practice at the time 220-250bhn, and many others in archives
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it's describes only as auxilary armour, distance of spacing showed only for target represent tank side, quality of german plates similar to soviets tank armour(i think a talked about it earlier), not US/UK junk test plates (220-240bhn) one mark - 200 meters so it's 1250-1290 and 4310, and my mistake about 3057 which is only showing difference, to much work lol...
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i'm talking about other images about hull front i think your model is correct(as swedish report showed), but side "flaps" imho looks very strange
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thank you about you schemes with special armour, turret right "cheek" seems to have some sort of weakspot in bottom part(protection of left and right asymmetrical by height? or maybe it's not that obvious on early turrets) can you share this/those scan/scans ? such an arrangement of special armour is very doubtful due to uneven LOS imho, it can be spaced armor, but not special
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btw maybe someone remember, from which magazine this pictures ?
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it’s impossible to calculate rounds like DM13, BM42, BM15, M735 etc with L-O
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100mm/70deg - 3057meters 15mm-100mm/70deg - 1250-1290 meters so "good against spaced armour" not good enough, but maybe better than nothing...
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strange shape of detail
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at first you can see two turrets (one on top of other) two version of turrets ?
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mk4 turret front plates?
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it's not mistake, just old method(one of) of protection assessment
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yes CE 143mm - 1000mm RHA, CE 84mm - 420mm RHA, and KE - 700mm, but all this doesn't have any sense because if tank doesnt penetrated with 1000mm level threat and you have 200mm of "unpenetrated LOS" it doesn't mean that you have 1200mm vs CE, which is seems to be the method used in swedish presentation
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doesn't mean that is significantly better in penetration i will find report , there was test agains 70degree 100mm RHA + 15 or 30mm HHA IIRC, which round coudn't penetrate
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and if you set SC charge on unoptimal focal distance you can stop jet pretty much by anything, yes, but real firing are main interest, not this "we can protect it from deathstar, but we have one smaaaal condition..."
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DM13 same shitty round, have some report about it i think. need a lot of time to find it...
