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  1. Wiedzmin
    Merkava 1/2 right hull side ? and turret M111 demostration and T-72 "model" in left corner ? plates look like 150+150+50, but 350/0 for M111 is possible only point blank, not from 1700 meters M413 demo ? 350/0 from 2100 meters, and T-72 from 3100 ?
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    so, my bad again, 81 no used against hull, 127 and 107 127mm-600-636mm pen 107mm-480mm pen as far as i understand, because of this hull front failure they later made this hull and only after this version get to 2A0/4 style hull, but i don't know is 2A0/4 a capable of stoping 127mm warhead or not... and there is a scheme of firings of 2AV in US, without any good details, only that tank have 39 hits, of which 16 germans consider to be "good", of which 3 actually was penetration in turret front and mantlet by 127mm warhead, remaining 23 hits, they didn't mention... penetration was hit 6, 5 and 13, which version of hull front was used in US trials i don't know p.s scheme of US trials seem to match trials i previosly posted here, so it's seems that they used improved hul, or germans repeat all hits that they recieved during US trials later at home with improved hull front
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    1975-76 Leopard 2AV trials, hull front penetrated by 127mm HEAT charge, and 107mm HEAT charge, details will upload bit later...
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    just quote from austrian forum
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    " Zwar OT, aber vielleicht von Interesse: M.W. war man relativ überrascht, dass das Turmdach der T72 durch unsere PAL 2000 (die schwedische RBS 56 "BILL") nicht durchschlagen werden konnte. Gleichzeitig stellte man fest, dass es große Unterschiede zwischen den ungarischen und russischen T72 gab. Die Ungarn wurden als nicht so zuverlässige Genossen eingeschätzt und bekam daher T72 die nicht die selbe Panzerungstechnik hatten wie die russischen." maybe somebody have more info on T-72 trials in Austria ? or more photos?
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    Helenic 2A6
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    typical modern russian quality
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    btw brits in one of the reports claim that ATGM's hit targers at some 5° or something like that, maybe someone have some info about that ?
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    interesting, if they used T-90A hull's there must be reinfoced hull roof, but it's not, it have T-72 style hull roof with added "damper" also interesting turret roof ERA with antislip cover plate, and some sort of damper or 2nd ERA block and they also added little plate between those hull roof dampers
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    he wrote it long time ago, so i don't know was he right or wrong russian magazines often write "something that we hear somewhere from someone" how close you need to be that you will get damage from ERA block and not from explosion of grenade and tank itself
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    it look like another stupid decision and here they decide that it's beter to make hole, rather than place laser warning sensors on ERA block(because in current position if ERA detonated there a 100% chance that sensor will "survive and continue to function" lol)
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    what ?
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    so here it is, and they also changed ERA block from one that could protect from the side, to one that can give protection only at +-30 "great" coverage of frontal part also lookin on new turret "neck" maybe they try "lift up" turret, and give more declination angles, or just retarded turret design
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    and note that crew compartment doesn't have this requriment only +-45 and there is no any "downgrade" for sides
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    don't know, maybe it's not only vs ERA buth vs some special armour, and don't know was this warhead in serial production or not
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    Swiss WH98 for Dragon 2 ATGM and WH95 warhead for Panzerfaust 3
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    tank with anti RPG mesh have full set blocks on T-90M turret sides,and T-72B3 made for "directly from the side" cases
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    if the blocks can flip down there is a lagre gap, if not, whole unprotected area is even bigger(like on green 90M in factory)
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    ERA covered area level - genius...
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    problem with report, that is not full(still trying to get full report, but only some parts is available) i think that firing was done frome some flank angle, and if you fire turret straigh on line (0 deg flakn angle) penetration will be difficult to obtaine due to turret shape as for report date, folder with T-55 firing is 1971, and metallurgical research also 1971 (armour scheme 1.12.1970), and my bad. trials 15.4.1971 UFP - 302HB (HB 30 kp/mm2) LFP- 302HB (HB 30 kp/mm2) CrNiMo-legieter Verguntungsstahl Erschmelzungsart: SM-Ofen C -0,29 Si-0.33 Mn-0.42 P-0.011 S-0.015 Al-0.018 Cr-2.22 Cu-0.09 Mo-0.31 Ni-1.92 V- <0.02 Sn-0.007 Ti 0 As B - <0.001 Nb - <0.01 Nppm(?) 73 hull side - 295 HB (HB 30 kp/mm2) turret cast - 270-267
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    @Militarysta btw interesting, only steel part of ERAWA is throwable plate ?
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    T-55 shelling in Germany, 1971. turret 105mm APDS DM13 (aka L28 / M392 / L36) hit 42: - thickness at the point of impact 119mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 30g - impact speed 1471 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - penetration hit 43: - thickness at the point of impact 140mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 30g - impact speed 1473 m / s, range 200 meters - bulging with a crack hit 44: - not taken into account, because the projectile hited into the embrasure of the sight. hit 45: - thickness at the point of impact 160mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 44 gr - impact speed 1460 m / s, range 200 meters - penetration hit 13: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 24g - impact speed 1437 m / s, range 100 meters - bulging with a crack hit 14: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 24g - impact speed 1438 m / s, range 200 meters - bulging with a crack hit 15: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 26g - impact speed 1333 m / s, range 1000 meters - penetration with a plug hit 16: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 26g - impact speed 1331 m / s, range 1000 meters - penetration hit 17: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 25g - impact speed 1287 m / s, range 1500 meters - bulging without crack hit 18: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 28g - impact speed 1280 m / s, range 2000 meters - penetration Hull 105mm APDS DM13 (aka L28 / M392 / L36) 105mm HESH 90mm HESH hit 1: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 65g (the body was apparently specially tilted to a larger angle) - impact speed 1427 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - bulging with a crack hit 2: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 62g (the body was apparently specially tilted to a larger angle) - impact speed 1436 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - penetration hit 3: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm- UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 66g (the body was apparently specially tilted to a larger angle) - impact speed 1433 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - bulging with a crack Hit 10 (HESH): - thickness at the point of impact 100mm- UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - scab with a diameter of 200mm and a thickness of 20mm Hit 18 (90mm HESH): - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - nothing hit 4: - thickness at the point of impact 80mm - board - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 70 gr (course +20) - impact speed 1427 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - bulging with a crack hit 5: - thickness at the point of impact 80mm - board - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 68 gr (course +22) - impact speed 1427 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - penetration hit 6: - thickness at the point of impact 80mm - board - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 70 gr (course +20) - shock speed 1397 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - bulging without crack hit 7: - thickness at the point of impact 80mm - board - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 50 gr (course + -40) - impact speed 1416 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - penetration hit 8: - thickness at the point of impact 80mm - board - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60 gr (course + -30) - impact speed 1416 m / s (v25), range 200 meters - penetration hit 12: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm -- UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - shock speed - m / s (v25), range 1000 meters - hit the tow hook hit 13: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - shock speed - m / s (v25), range 1000 meters - penetration hit 2: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - shock speed - 1332m / s (v25), range 1000 meters - penetration hit 9: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 62.5g - shock speed - 1341m / s (v25), range 1000 meters - penetration hit 10: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm- UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 62.5g - shock speed - 1353m / s (v25), range 1000 meters - bulging with a crack hit 4: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - impact speed - 1292m / s (v25), range 1500 meters - penetration hit 8: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm -- UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 62.5g - shock speed - 1278m / s (v25), range 1500 meters - bulging without crack hit 11: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 61.5g - impact speed - 1296m / s (v25), range 1500 meters - bulging with a crack hit 6: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm - UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - impact speed - 1274m / s (v25), range 2000 meters - bulging with a crack hit 7: - thickness at the point of impact 100mm -- UFP - angle (Aufschlagwinkel) 60g - impact speed - 1260m / s (v25), range 2000 meters - bulging with a crack
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    any specific numbers ?
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    @Militarysta on 60 deg there a two layers of Erawa2 or some sort of dumper ? and is there any detailed info and pics of results after detonation ?
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