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Wiedzmin

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  1. not sure about LAV25 having 36 deg(only about angle) this is basic armour structure, without any addons
  2. Mk1-2 turrets Mk3 without frontal part ? mk3 hull
  3. it's a BS, thats why nodoby post full report 100mm APDS and 125mm HEAT 125mm APFSDS with core and 115mm APFSDS with core
  4. Namer assembly, pic with guy welding is view at hull side from a top, at driver "doghouse" area
  5. did they try same test's with D-20 HE on Leo2 whic was tested on T-72 ?:)
  6. @SH_MM funny thing is, that real targets that represent T-80 etc was named M1980 and M1990(expected in year 2000 lol), all of these was simple steel plate without spacing or whatever, just one steel plate(various thicknesses for M80 and M90) at 70°, and nothing wih "uh BRL1 hypothesised T-72" or any other bullshit. as for BRL2 there was description that it was to heavy to fit on real tank, but wasn't much heavier than L2AV has...
  7. there is no any details, only that at some point brits used XL22E1, C24 and C81/31 APFSDS and germans used some "DU" round made from US Stabaloy, proto-XM827 maybe? maybe difference is angles, maybe they really used some protoDM23 later, i don't know, now when archives is closed mostly we need some time to wait until it will open again but... , or maybe somebody have some additional info? @skylancer-3441 maybe you have something ?
  8. problem with UK round was yaw, thats why it's penetrated BRL-2 "randomly" there was also some tests with BRL1 at 60 deg XM774 26 diam - 7,5km 50% of pen BRL1 60 deg FRG 120 tungsten - 10km BRL 2 60 deg same - 2km and some DU tests etc...
  9. is that geometry is hard for your understanding? i don't see any reason why photogrammetry of real tank + measures check + pics of ripped of M1A1 sides is doesn't give you a chance to check all "LOS" that you need(especially when you can check where the plate is, where the hatch is etc), or you just god of 3d models and can make it more accurate than real tank ? i think remembered you, you was on defenceforumindia ? is that your scheme ? same question have you ever seen any real factory blueprints lol ? well, why don't you make your own ? to prove that everything is wrong ? you trying to protect your believes, i'm not interested in that, if you want really discuss i'm interested, but all i see now, "all you data is from GJ!1" but i showed you that i used only external plates thicknesses, and you keeps put your fingers in your ears.... oh funny thing, i though you was doing that, because i can't see any real arguments just to be clear, if you really want discuss "how we will get accurate LOS" ok go, i'm interested, if you keeps insists "oh all your pics a shit, because i think mine better" well, no go... I am fully admit that I could be wrong in my estimates, but so far I've not seen any counter-evidence from you. Only "I believe that if ...", etc. Please show your geometrically based figures, not some estimates like"theoretical if LFP los is 650mm, then turret 100% must be..." ?
  10. i use only GJ thickness of external plates, all other i get from photogrammetry and measures, what else you don't understand ? source ? scaling of schemes... good luck i'm not interested in protection levels and ? i have high-res on that pics it's not secret, and they match photogrammetry good luck to you with your hollywar p.s and please do not confuse the words "argument" and "personal opinion", because all your "arguments" is just your words, without any sources or proves
  11. Maybe you should read something before posting ? especially part about "M1(M1 105mm)" ? my estimations ONLY for M1, why you trying to show me M1A1 and M1A2 ? try to start with arguments, i'm really not interested in reading wall of text without any arguments, with all respect. for my estimates i used WT outer plates thicknesses that they posted in developer diary, because they used USG, so all these measures are correct. for whole frontal part estimate i used photogrammetry of whole M1 and some measures that get from modelers(armorama site etc), i also used M1 dimensional scheme, and all that measures are coincided as for 4inch frontal plates is often quoted in US sources, so at the moment i use that value, maybe you can give us USG of internal plate ? or on what source all your claims is based ? here is scheme showing production stages of M1 turret, so it's have same spacers as hull front, and i think overall same structure, and it corresponds with CIA scheme + i'm not tried to get "REAL SIKRIT SPECIAL ARMOR SCHEME!11" only thickness of frontal part. as for your "armour values" investigation, BRL1 during trials was penetrated by XM774(26mm diam core) from 3km, and it's claimed that BRL1 target was 10% tougher than real M1, but i'm not interested in any armour calculations at the moment. So, you registered here for reasonable discussion with proofs, or just to chat about that "in some game everything is not right! I think so! but I'm not sure ..." ?
  12. btw about this old pic here is turret and hull of Mk.3 and here is a turret of Mk.4 where and when both tank were loss ? and is there not cropped versions of both pics ?
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